As my recent posts have brought to light, we can’t always get along.

I love Tyler Labine on Reaper. Some of you do. Some of you think he’s doing a bad Jack Black impersonation. And some of you won’t even watch the show because he’s on it.

I couldn’t like The Office last week. Many of you agree with me. While a large contingent thinks I totally missed the point of the episode. My sister swears its better when you watch it a second time (I haven’t been able to bring myself to do that yet).

I can’t believe Michael Johns is gone. A bunch of you think it was time for him to go.

As we talked about earlier this season with the great Pushing Daisies Debate of 2007 what I love about TV is that we can all watch the same thing and have very different reactions.

But what I wanted to hear about was the biggest TV disagreement you’ve ever had with a colleague, friend, or family member.

I still remember a heated argument I had with a friend of mine about Buffy the Vampire Slayer (bet you’re not surprised). My friend dismissed the show as being exploitive to women, silly, and a stupid teen show. I felt like I had been punched in the stomach. I argued with her for about 15 minutes and then said to her, "We have to stop talking about this. I love the show and I know it’s just a TV show but it’s so upsetting to me that this is what you think of it." And we never spoke of it again.

So that’s my biggest TV argument. What’s yours?

Where Have I Seen Them Before?

David and Ed recognized M.C. Gainey, Tom Friendly on Lost, as the lawyer Braxton Smalls on Bones.

Jen recognized Haviland Morris as the marriage counselor on One Tree Hill. As Jen correctly remembered, Morris was Caroline in Sixteen Candles and we just saw her as the mother of one of the girls accused of murder on Canterbury’s Law.

There were a slew of familiar faces on Eli Stone. Ginni recognized Jennifer Aspen as the veterinarian. Aspen was Daphne on Party of Five, Janet on Bob Patterson, and Trina on Rodney. And most recently we saw her as the woman dating one of the conjoined twins on Grey’s Anatomy. Ginni also caught Sterling K. Brown as the inmate who couldn’t get a parole hearing. He’s Roland on Army Wives and Gordon on Supernatural.

All this week’s bonus points go to DJ who recognized Dave Giuntoli as Maggie’s fiancé on Eli Stone. Giuntoli played himself on both Road Rules and Real World/Road Rules Challenge. He’s also popped up on episodes of Nip/Tuck, Ghost Whisperer and Veronica Mars.

Joanna recognized Michael Mitchell as the burn victim who wanted to attend his high school graduation on Scrubs. Mitchell was Bronson Pope on Veronica Mars and Derek on Invasion.

Joanna also recognized Beth Grant as Dwight’s date on The Office. She was Gracie on Jericho and this season we saw her on Bones and According to Jim.

Daveigh Chase was the heart transplant patient who disappeared on Without a Trace. Chase is Rhonda on Big Love. Suzanne Cryer was her mother. Cryer was Ashley on Two Guys and a Girl. And file under interesting - both ER and Without a Trace had a heart transplant story on the same night).

Jay Paulson, Physical Phil on October Road, was Dean James, the man accused of murder on CSI.

Harris Yulin was Elizabeth’s father on Canterbury’s Law. I’ll always remember him as Quentin Travers on Buffy. He was also Roger Stanton on 24 and we just saw him as Rafe on Cashmere Mafia.

Ask TV Gal

Please, would you tell me what is the status of Men In Trees? It happens to be one of my very favorite show and to take it off the air without any explanation is deplorable! Patty

Well the good news, Patty, is that Men In Trees returns with new episodes tonight (Wednesday at 10 p.m. on ABC). In this week’s episode, Marin meets Julia, the woman who was lost at sea with Jack. Next week Sofia Vergara guest stars as a writer of relationship books. And the really good news is that Sam and Jane are in both of these episodes. After that though, shenanigans start to happen. Boston Legal takes over the Wednesday 10 p.m. time slot beginning April 30. And then Men in Trees will return on May 28 to complete the season and have its season finale Wednesday, June 11 at 10 p.m.

So, I just read on TV news that Michael Trevino from Cane was cast in a CW show. Though I noticed it hasn't been on since the strike, I hadn't heard anything about Cane being cancelled? Do you know anything? Janin

Alas poor Cane exists in that weird TV place where it hasn’t officially been cancelled but no one thinks we’ll be seeing a second season of the show. With the writer’s strike this season, many shows suffered that same fate – the network aired all available episodes and then never said anything direct about the fate of the show (see NBC’s Journeyman and ABC’s Cashmere Mafia.) What will most likely happen is that when CBS announces its fall schedule in May, Cane simply won't be on it.

Smallville

The CW has sent out a preview of Thursday night’s episode. Check out these links but warning the clips (and here's one more) do contain spoilers.

Fun Contest

If you ever watched a movie or TV show and thought, I can do that. This competition may be for you. Lifetime Networks is launching the Every Woman’s Film Competition, open to all aspiring female filmmakers. Check it out at http://www.mylifetime.com/sweeps/ewfc/submit.php

That’s all for today. I’ll be back on Friday with this week’s familiar faces and to discuss the return of Brothers & Sisters (I’m having issues with the preview tape that should be resolved by then). Have a question? Seen a familiar face? Want to nominate a quote of the week or a topic for discussion. Write me at amytvgal@zap2it.com. Talk to you on Friday.

Comments

I've definitely had that Buffy conversation - I could never understand how people could automatically dismiss it. I was actually made fun of for watching - those idiots didn't know what they were missing!

Dani | Apr 16, 2008 12:38:25 PM | #

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a very good friend of mine whom I was trying to convince to watch Veronica Mars once dismissed me with a, "well... she looks kind of ugly". I should have known - her idea of a perfect show with absolutely no flaws is Grey's Anatomy. I stopped trying after that.

Emaline | Apr 16, 2008 12:42:25 PM | #

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I just watched "The Office" episode today on-line, and I am with you. It made me uncomfortable watching it, and I was not even at the dinner! :)

Oh, and I loved, "Buffy" too. So what if it was a teeny-bopper show.

C. Young | Apr 16, 2008 12:44:54 PM | #

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I'm having an ongoing argument with my mother about whether or not Aaron (LOST) counts as one of the Oceanic Six. She thinks he is, I (despite all evidence to the contrary) swear that he isn't, and until incontrovertible proof is presented to me, that's the belief I'm stickin' with.

It's reminiscent of American Idol a few years ago, when I was *SURE* Bo Bice was going to win and it turned out to be Carrie Underwood. Not that she didn't deserve it, I just really liked Bo ;)

MK | Apr 16, 2008 12:46:19 PM | #

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I've had the same Buffy conversation many MANY times...

I've also had similar debates with people who dismiss The Simpsons or South Park as "cartoons" and therefore won't watch them.

CT | Apr 16, 2008 12:48:21 PM | #

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Also, did anyone notice that Sweets girlfriend on Bones was played by Delia from My So-Called Life. She's looking incredible these days!

Eliza | Apr 16, 2008 12:53:04 PM | #

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My biggest throw-down was with a friend of mine about American Idol the season that Taylor and McPheever battled in the finals. I was living abroad so I had no sense of America's leanings in the competition, but it was pretty clear that Katherine McPhee was the more talented of the two competitors. So I explained to my friend that she *should* win b/c she was a better singer, and that Taylor was only interesting to people b/c of his ridiculous performances and b/c he has an everyman quality (with the gray hair and all), and nobody would actually want to listen to him on the radio. My friend FERVENTLY disagreed with me and we battled on the phone for about 20 minutes before I awkwardly changed the subject. I couldn't speak to my friend for about 2 wks after Taylor won. I was so disappointed in America.

I guess the joke was on him, though, b/c Taylor Hicks hasn't done too well for himself post-Idol.

Cat | Apr 16, 2008 12:57:12 PM | #

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Um, I am constantly defending Desperate Housewives. A lot of my friends refuse to watch it saying that its really dirty and filthy. While i tend to kind of agree with them as far as early season 1, the show is sometimes more tame than other shws that are on tv.

BTW, Spent the entire weekend watching FRIDAY NIGHT LIGHTS season 1 and 2 and love it and am so sad that i have no more episodes to watch. Coach and tammy are my favorite as well as Matty Sarencen. Anyway, thought you'd enjoy another fan ready to watch it when it comes on next year! :(

MEEKS | Apr 16, 2008 1:23:27 PM | #

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I think Veronica Mars sucked. I tried several times to get into it, but I thought the storylines were stupid and full of plot holes, the production values were terrible, and most of the acting was subpar. And I know everyone else loved the show.

Joe | Apr 16, 2008 1:25:25 PM | #

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"Reasonable Doubts"--I was shocked when Tess (Marlee Matlin) slept with someone on the first date--my sister told me I was being a prude. I'm still a prude--but I enjoyed the show.

Valerie | Apr 16, 2008 1:55:23 PM | #

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Buffy was the show that I had to defend watching. I kept trying to convince my friends that it was a terrific show with great writing and style. Only one of my friends watched it, and she agreed that it was one of the best shows on TV.

Stephanie | Apr 16, 2008 2:16:11 PM | #

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I can't really remember any knock down arguments I've ever had with anyone concerning TV. But maybe this'll be worth mentioning...

One of the eye-opening moments in my life was once when I mentioned (on some BBoard) that I thought "The Cosby Show" was far more "realistic" than was "Roseanne." Boy did I get a severe tongue lashing from so many people on that board! (My life growing up *was* more like Cosby Show, even though I was an only child in a white family!)

David B. Mears | Apr 16, 2008 2:45:29 PM | #

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Oh boy, the Buffy argument!!! I've had it so many times. Even with someone who loved Angel *shakes head*. I mean, I understand that Angel had a darker vibe than Buffy, but they're not THAT different...

Myriam | Apr 16, 2008 2:57:15 PM | #

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Yeah, the Buffy conversation was so boring. I definitely didn't agree that it was a 'teeny bopper' show. It was a satire. I'm a teacher and I know satire is hard for kids to get but please....grow up. Same goes for The Simpsons, South Park and now Battlestar Gallactica.

tv | Apr 16, 2008 3:18:25 PM | #

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I have argued for Buffy, Angel, Jericho, and Numb3rs. Especially Angel - so hard to explain so people would even give it a chance. And I must agree that Tyler Labine is tops! I loved him in Dead Last, Traveler, Invasion, and Reaper.

Melissa | Apr 16, 2008 3:25:50 PM | #

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Amy thanks for the Smallville clips. That is the show I always get in arguements with my family about. I actually got in an arguement once with my cousin (who was eight at the time) about an episode once. That is the only show I've ever done that with.

Penny | Apr 16, 2008 3:47:23 PM | #

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I had that Buffy conversation MANY times when I worked in a music store and we played the buffy musical soundtrack constantly.

Cody | Apr 16, 2008 4:03:02 PM | #

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I wish I could have had a TV argument. I care about TV show much and nobody I know seems to care about it too much.

I have had people make fun of me about liking certain things, but then I tend not to fight back because I can't help what I like, so... yeah.

Kim | Apr 16, 2008 4:34:55 PM | #

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I've had arguments with a boyfriend because herefused to watch a show because his ex liked it!

Solly | Apr 16, 2008 5:02:54 PM | #

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I have been trying to convince a number of my friends that you don't have to be a sci-fi fan to love Battlestar Galactica. So many people think that you need to be a trekkie or something to enjoy it... not that there's anything wrong with being a trekkie!

I have found that a lot of shows I love, like BSG, Doctor Who, Buffy, Roswell, etc. get dismissed by other people for being fantasy-based and unrealistic. They can't see how much this opens up space for GREAT story-telling, which, when you remove the aliens or demons, frequently is very realistic and full of social commentary. Not to mention just fun to watch!

Allie | Apr 16, 2008 5:07:30 PM | #

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No bad TV fights... I introduced my non-TV watching college roommate to Everwood and Gilmore Girls and we incessantly argued about which was better even though we both loved them.

Other than that, my dad and I argue over which is the best comedy of all-time: Seinfeld or Arrested Development.

Brooke | Apr 16, 2008 5:47:02 PM | #

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I’ll admit that I was on the opposite end of the Buffy argument for many years. My sister loved the show and I, having only seen the movie, could not bring myself to believe for a second that it could possibly be worth my time. There was a lot of rolling of eyes and shaking of heads.

Then one day I tore the tendons in my ankle right before a road trip so I was stuck in a hotel room bed most of the time with my foot up, and lo and behold my sister had brought her DVD player and the first season of Buffy and made me watch it because I couldn’t get away. And sure enough by the end of the first episode I was hooked. I now own all the DVDs and a couple of the action figures. And my sister brings up the fact that she was right as often as possible.

Kate | Apr 16, 2008 6:33:59 PM | #

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My biggest TV argument was with a friend who's a fan of Japanese anime. I can't tolerate the dreadful animation and ridiculous stylistic conventions. The "animation" is really cheap, compared to Disney school: mostly nicely-drawn stills with lots of pans and radiating effect lines like in the TV Gal logo, and hardly any actual animation. And I couldn't understand why he didn't take offense at everybody having enormous eyes, hair that's constantly blowing in a breeze (even indoors), and leaps of about 10 feet that take 5 seconds to complete. This is really comic books with audio tracks, *not* animation.

We agreed not to talk about anime any more.

Henry | Apr 16, 2008 7:21:32 PM | #

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I'm sorry, you're friend said Buffy was exploitative to women?! Whaaaaa? Did she ever watch a single frame? As far as I'm concerned, the entire series was a dedication to strong, powerful, smart, funny, women, and the men who are strong enough to recognize what a turn on that is. I sure wish there was anything nearly as empowering on now.

K | Apr 16, 2008 7:29:57 PM | #

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I don't know if it's my biggest tv argument ever, but right now there's a guy at work who constantly insuiates that the only reason I watch Supernatural is for the two hot guys. I know he's only trying to push my buttons but it still annoys me each and every time. I just feel he's belittling the show when he does that. As attractive as I find Dean and Sam they're really not my top "type" of man. I usually go for a different type of guy. So really the reasons I got into the show were many but not once was it b/c the leads were hot guys. That was simply a bonus.

Whew! Thanks for letting me get that off my chest!!

Lindlee | Apr 16, 2008 8:01:51 PM | #

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Joss Whedon doomed Buffy to cult-only status when he chose to name the TV show after the movie. So many people just couldn't get past the title. Amy's friend's comments are ludicrous to anyone who was a regular viewer. Exploitative to women, silly and a stupid teen show? Well, I AM a woman, was in my 30's/40's while BtVS was on the air and my idea of silly is a script that produces laughs but not thought or emotion. There's nothing wrong with silly, but that wasn't Buffy. Women on that show were strong, but flawed, and often unaware of their own power -just like many of us on the planet. Buffy made a much better role model most of the female characters on TV today.

Kathryn | Apr 16, 2008 8:18:12 PM | #

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My family was a house divided when it was Carrie vs. Bo on AIseason4

My father and I bitterly argue over who would make the better president: Jack Bauer (me) or David Palmer (my dad).

Elizabeth | Apr 16, 2008 8:21:13 PM | #

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My biggest tv argument is over Gilmore Girls. My husband and a co-worker insisted it was totally unrealistic and were annoyed with the way lorelai and rory spoke. They never appreciated how great the show was!

DF | Apr 16, 2008 8:21:41 PM | #

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B-O-R-I-N-G!!!!

Lily | Apr 17, 2008 2:02:34 AM | #

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My brother and I had many fights regarding Ben vs Noel on Felicity. He would tell me why Ben was so much better than Noel and I of course took the opposite side of he argument. Our Mom threatened to not allow us to watch the show if we didn't just stop the debate it was just a television show.

Of course my brother would never admit to his friends he watched this chick show but he definitely ;loved it.

AD | Apr 17, 2008 4:21:00 AM | #

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My two biggest throwdowns have to be me vs. the rest of the world in that I thought Star Trek: Enterprise was a good show, and me vs. the rest of the world in that I felt Firefly was a crappy, near-unwatchable show. With Enterprise, I appreciated that the show tried to break the status quo and did so in a creative way, while everyone else considered it an abomination (mainly because they'd developed a serious hang-up about series producer Rick Berman). As for Firefly, I felt it combined some of the worst elements of Joss Whedon - the "cool for the sake of cool, not content" dialogue and the pretentiousness of it, plus the fact the show had barely an original bone in its body. Try telling that to a dyed-in-the-wool browncoat (the Firely equivalent of Trekkie and a term I've always found offensive because it reminds me of a very similar term, brownshirt, which is associated with Nazi Germany).

Alex | Apr 17, 2008 4:25:44 AM | #

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My big tv arguments come from shows that I kind of like but have problems with. If I don't watch a show, I don't argue about it, and it doesn't bother me when people talk badly about shows I love, see the firefly discussion right above (although I would never call myself a browncoat, not because of the Nazi implication which I think is a silly reason to be offended, kind of like when people get offended by the word niggardly which sounds like the racial slur but really has nothing to do with it, but because I think its just a tv show and there is no point in joining a fictional army to defend a tv show).

Anyways, back to the topic at hand: my two biggest arguments came from Eli Stone and Jericho, both of which I think have good plots, but most of the secondary actors have bad dialog, they use lame attempts at trying to tug at your heartstrings, and in Jericho's case had that whole CBS feel to it that I hate and in Stone's case (as I have said before) features blatant propaganda, never features legitimate arguments for the other side from Eli, and feels like a worse off imitation of Wonderfalls. Anyways, I don't get too upset when people slam my favorite shows (as long as they don't push for them to get canceled), but people get upset when I criticize their shows.

Dan H | Apr 17, 2008 4:48:58 AM | #

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My boyfriend does not get Buffy, (and I've forced him to watch Innocence and Hush!). But he thinks Charmed (!) was a GREAT show. I really don't know why we're together. :)

ferretrick | Apr 17, 2008 5:42:53 AM | #

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After being hooked since the Pilot, I tried to get my family to watch "Arrested Development" during the 3rd season. No one laughed! They thought it was too complicated and weird, didn't get the callbacks, and didn't like any of the characters. Devastating. Only now my little sister is giving it a chance because of "Superbad" and some serious Michael Cera love. If that's what it takes...

Elisa | Apr 17, 2008 6:18:25 AM | #

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I loved Buffy too...got the DVDs, the Watcher's Guides, the philosophy books, the Season 8 comics...

I do have to say, though, that there is alot happening in that title: Buffy, the Vampire Slayer. It reeks of teeny-bopperness. It's not surprising that people were turned off just by the title of the show.

Also, PLEASE GET THEM TO RENEW ELI STONE!!! It's the best show on television! (Oops, hope I didn't start an argument).

Big Joe | Apr 17, 2008 6:25:36 AM | #

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My most consistent argument is that people try to convince me I'm wrong about how awful Grey's Anatomy is good and argue that Shonda Rhimes isn't a terrible writer -- both of which are things I hold to be absolutely true. Grey's started off fine, but once she started believing her own hype, it was all over. If she spent half as much time writing the show as she does talking about the show, maybe it would improve. But the lack of coherent character development for, oh, ANY character on that show is why I quit watching it and why I refuse to invest in Private Practice beyond getting to see Kate Walsh every week.

Olivia | Apr 17, 2008 6:47:23 AM | #

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Hi Amy, this is off topic but do you watch Real World? Ive been watching forever, & the people they choose never fail to fascinate/repulse me.
RW Hollywood started last nite, & looks to be one of the best..I was wondering how this site (zap2it) & you choose shows to review,etc.
thanks,
a fan

lizouttavegas | Apr 17, 2008 8:35:53 AM | #

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My biggest TV throwdown was with Grosse Pointe, everybody thought it was lame and stupid. To this day I'm sad it got cancelled

me | Apr 17, 2008 8:40:20 AM | #

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I'm not sure it'd count as an actual disagreement, but after last season my brother and I parted ways as far as "Lost" is concerned: I still love it as much as ever, but he decided he'd had it and wanted nothing more to do with it after the season 3 finale. We've never argued about it, and I've even told him about a few of the things that've happened this season, but I still struggle with disappointment and sadness that we're no longer watching together.

Oh, and for those of you spoiling to get into a good "Buffy" fight and defend our show's honor, check this out:

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Bad-Fandom-Worn-Out-By-Whedonites-8512.html

Sara | Apr 17, 2008 8:48:45 AM | #

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I've had the Buffy arguments and the Veronica Mars. For Buffy, everyone just thought I was crazy because it was a teen show, etc. and I was at least in my 20s when it started. For VM, no one had ever heard of it. I couldn't get anybody to watch; then on friend turned it on near the end of Season 1, saw that V might have slept with her brother and turned it off. I kept trying to explain it and tell her she had to watch the whole season, but she was icked out.

Oh, and as far as recognizing people on Bones, Amy did you not recognize the father of the racer as Jonesy from 90210?!

Also Abigail Spencer from some Lifetime show and more recently as "Blah Blah" on How I Met Your Mother.

Ali | Apr 17, 2008 8:49:40 AM | #

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Yeah. Had the Buffy Conversation and continue to have it with anyone that will listen. I feel like John the Baptist sometimes....a voice crying in the wilderness!" I have the conversation with my 15 year old son...some people just don't get it and never will and will continue to digest the "pap" that comes from the glass teat! (to paraphrase Harlan Ellison). They will never know the joy that we feel by becoming "involved" with a great show, stellar writing, and a wonderful cast! TV Gal, you are awesome! Thanks for sticking up for what's right, not what's now!

Vern | Apr 17, 2008 8:56:32 AM | #

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Oddly enough House is a show I've had to defened watching. Some people think he's such a jerk they can't watch it. I say thats the point it's a character drive show. New Amsterdam is a new show I've had to defened as well. Veronica Mars was a show I had a hard time getting into. I finally got it in year 3 just to see it canceled.

Gregg | Apr 17, 2008 8:57:37 AM | #

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Yeah, I've had the Buffy conversation, too, but the worst TV fight I ever had was when I tried to get my friend hooked on Mystery Science Theater 3000. He watched it for about 30 seconds and said, "This is horrible!" I was crushed. Isn't that silly? He wasn't criticizing me; he just didn't "get" the show. But still I took it personally. Guess that shows how attached I am to my beloved shows.

Brent | Apr 17, 2008 9:16:41 AM | #

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Yeah, Alex (see above), I have the same issues with Star Trek: Enterprise: I think it is the most original after TNG. The arguments over this is unreal in the ST world! I sometimes have felt like a one voice in support of Enterprise. I do disagree with you, however, about Firefly. That show, to me, was original and exceptionally well written. Although I am a Trekkie, I think Firefly was worlds beyond it.

Anne | Apr 17, 2008 9:27:48 AM | #

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I've had many arguments over TV with my Aunt and Uncle.
My Aunt likes Grey's Anatomy. I like ER. Enough said on that one. Also, my Aunt and Uncle think Seinfeld is the best comedy (and show) of all time. I disagree. I can name tons of comedies that are better than Seinfeld. Here are a few:

Roseanne
The Mary Tyler Moore Show
The Andy Griffith Show
All in the Family
The Cosby Show
Everybody Loves Raymond
Scrubs
The Office (US)
That 70's Show
The Dick Van Dyke Show

I think I've made my point.

Nate | Apr 17, 2008 9:36:08 AM | #

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One more thing, I think Roseanne is a much more realistic portrayal of most American families than The Cosby Show.

Nate | Apr 17, 2008 9:39:11 AM | #

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I've had the same arguments over Flight of the Concords. Some people get it and some don't. I die laughing everytime I watch it and my freind thought it was boring.

It's hard not to get hurt by these arguments.

Matt | Apr 17, 2008 9:56:48 AM | #

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I love that you're still defending and discussing Buffy. That show will always be my favorite of all time and anyone who can't recognize it's greatness (or dismiss it without ever watching it) is either a moron or an idiot. Or both.

John | Apr 17, 2008 10:20:00 AM | #

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Buffy was the best show ever. I grew up watching that show!!!

Blanca | Apr 17, 2008 10:58:11 AM | #

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Tried to convince my cousin to watch Arrested Development and he refused without seeing one episode saying it was a stupid average family show and then he compared it to According To Jim--- I kind you not--- that argument is still even in progress

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ah yes, the Buffy the Vampire Slayer arguments...
it's a part of any true buffy fan. some people just don't understand how awesome Buffy is! it boggles the mind, but then again, they tend to be the people that think reality shows are amazing and influential... so really how can one take them seriously?
Buffy might seem like a 'stupid teen show', but it has so many layers and is unbelievable brilliant and, words cannot describe how grand it is.

anywho - the office, last wees episode was uncomfortable, i mean, still liked it, but it seemed really out of place when comparing it to the other episodes. im hoping the next few episodes are back to the original office humour.
plus i missed the rest of the office during the last episode... where was Stanley and kevin, and all the others?! was lacking indeed.

tia | Apr 17, 2008 11:43:43 AM | #

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Oh the arguments.... Buffy is the biggest one by far. SO many people pass it off as a typical teen show.

My boyfriend and I had a pretty big argument over American Dreams. I was watching it one day, and he goes, "This is just another teen soap like all the other ones". WHAT? That show was so much more than that. We got into a big fight.

Potch | Apr 17, 2008 11:45:47 AM | #

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Oh, and another big one is the Dexter argument. I've had several heated discussions with people who think Dexter is glamorizing serial killing.

Potch | Apr 17, 2008 11:46:33 AM | #

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I also have to add... You'd be surprised how many people out there find Buffy, Angel and Firefly to be "woman hating". I found this message board one day on a feminist website and this person was going off about how she had studied Firefly and other things Whedon related, and was "appalled" at the degrading of women. I honestly couldn't believe. She even went to far as to call Whedon a "rapist" and womanizer. I was like WHAT??? It was ridiculous. But there's a lot out there.

Potch | Apr 17, 2008 11:57:45 AM | #

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My sister and I live quite a distance apart and we are both Big Brother fans (embarrassing, I know). In Big Brother6 my sister and I hugely disagreed. I was a dedicated James fan and my sister was all about Janelle, who I dispised. We would email or chat after almost every episode to argue about who did what and who was the best player...

Mandy | Apr 17, 2008 12:00:45 PM | #

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I get eye-rolls and mean comments at work any time I mention Battlestar Galactica at work. Of course these people think Kenny vs Spenny is quality television!

Bethany | Apr 17, 2008 1:15:13 PM | #

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I have had the Buffy argument on more than one occasion. If people really watched the show they would see through all the superficial stuff and get to the real "meat" of the show, each BTVS episode dealt with life and gave a very powerful lesson, each vampire, demon and other worldly creature were metaphorical, when Joyce died on Buffy,that episode resonates about the death and coping, Buffy needed to kill that vampire, she needed something to fight, because you can't fight death, but she can fight vamps, I learned so much watching this show than just about any other show on television. Hell I learned more from that show than I did any psychology class I've ever had. Don't hate the slayer, Joss Whedon and his writers were masterful writers and deserved an armload of emmy's.

Charles | Apr 17, 2008 1:24:21 PM | #

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I confess...

I still don't understand all the interest and appeal in "The Office."

I try to watch it, but give up every time. Last week's episode was about as bad as TV gets. Similar in tone to the most boring, brainless episode of “Curb Your Enthusiasm” (there’s good Curb and there’s bad).

The Office? Don't get it. | Apr 17, 2008 1:36:52 PM | #

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Didn't L-O-V-E "The Office", but I did laugh a couple of times.

And for the record, Michael Johns should still be in this race and kickin'. (I say this as I listen to his performance of "We Will Rock You/We Are the Champions")

Lauren B | Apr 17, 2008 2:27:43 PM | #

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I had the Buffy argument with myself... I refused to watch it for most of it's (shortened) first season. Only after I kept reading critics reviews lauding the show that I finally gave it a chance and have since loved it forever...

I've had a few discussions about Weeds. People I know are turned off by the premise.

I've also had a few discussions about Battlestar Galactica and Torchwood. I simply cannot get into Battlestar and love Torchwood.

Varris | Apr 17, 2008 2:29:03 PM | #

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I can't tell you how much crap I've taken for being such a big Alias fan! And it's mainly because people my age (high school) are dumb and laugh and joke about it being a spy show. "Ooooh Sarah are you going to be in the CIA???" But really I think most TV arguments for me are because I'm a TV buff and other people really don't follow it that well or give different types of shows a chance, so I just don't bother most of the time.

Sarah | Apr 17, 2008 2:37:25 PM | #

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It's very easy to dismiss a show, especially with a silly name like BTVS. The simple fact is, however, that people do not want to think when they watch TV. To enjoy Buffy in all its many splendors, one must dig down below the surface of the show to its many layers. One would have to be sharp enough to catch the subtle nuances of character and dialogue. As history has proven, the typical television viewer either doesn't want to or simply can't get to the true brilliance of smart shows, especially ones like Buffy. I hope for your friend's sake that she simply didn't watch enough of it to understand it's brilliance. If, however, she wasn't able to "get it" after viewing more than one or two episodes, you might want to rethink your friendship with her.

I no longer try to justify my undying love for Buffy and Whedon and Company. The many scholastic online journals, the many college courses devoted to the show and the diehard fandom it has created do that much better than I ever could.

Michael | Apr 17, 2008 4:32:25 PM | #

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I don't know if I've had any arguments, but I totally get the whole thing where people dismiss Buffy or other shows. The thing about your friend's statement is that Buffy is actually probably the the most pro-woman show ever made. One of the major themes throughout was female empowerment. Sigh...

John | Apr 17, 2008 4:34:16 PM | #

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Wow Potch, that IS one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard. Whedon is a rapist?! Can you believe the ignorance of some people? He must be a woman hater, I guess that's why Equality Now gave him a freaking award for advancing the place of women in film and television. Sorry, but that really irks me. I know most people have probably seen this to death, but if you want proof of his dedication to feminism, check out his speech when Equality Now gave him his award. I didn't think it was possible, but I loved him even more after I saw that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYaczoJMRhs

K | Apr 17, 2008 5:27:32 PM | #

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Big Brother... Survivor...

I HATE em, my hubby LOVES em. And any other "reality" show he can get his hands on. ewww. As if I really wanted to see some squeaky voiced whiner coloring her hair?

dede | Apr 17, 2008 6:59:51 PM | #

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Wow, I've enjoyed reading these comments thoroughly. I resisted watching Buffy for the longest time but once I did, I was hooked. I think I'm going to have to buy some of the DVDs now. I enjoyed Angel as well but loved Firefly. I have their 1 and only season and ofcourse Serenity. Everytime I watch it I get so ticked off that it wasn't given a chance. Whedon is an outstanding writer, always original & witty and has the best casts in his shows. - Speaking of Firefly, I love Adam Baldwin and enjoy seeing him back on TV in Chuck.

Jamie | Apr 17, 2008 7:03:21 PM | #

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To the person upthread who said Veronica Mars is full of plot holes: you may hate Veronica Mars and that is fine but I have never watched a show that was so amazing on continuity. That one critique is ridiculous.

Andrea | Apr 17, 2008 10:06:29 PM | #

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You know what? I find myself defending Desperate Housewives all the time. Most of my friends won't even watch the show because it's called "Desperate Housewives," it's just that bad. I keep trying to tell them that it's completely more than meets the eye but they aren't having it. I've pretty much given up...

Sam | Apr 17, 2008 11:34:42 PM | #

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Andrea, I was thinking the same thing about VM. There may have been some red herrings, but everything fit together perfectly. Especially the 1st season.

Bryan | Apr 17, 2008 11:44:56 PM | #

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You should know that many of us have different taste of watching TV shows. Also depend on right tone of genre we like.

I loved to watch Sliders, although final (fifth) season was really disappointed. Also I used to watch X-Files, but lost interested at ninth season. This show should be ended at 7th season, which was perfect "bookend" to the pilot.

I really hate Western because it is so boring, but only expectational on few movies like Quick and the Dead(dramatic action), Unforgiven(serious reallife issue), etc.

dragonfoxmem | Apr 18, 2008 12:05:50 AM | #

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I saw "TV Throwdown" and thought maybe we were going say who would win in a fight between 2 characters, like, oh I dont know...Sawyer and hmm, how about Gunn from Angel?

Ken | Apr 18, 2008 6:21:25 AM | #

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Dragonfoxmem, I agree! Sliders was really cool until it went to sci-fi channel and they brought in the twin brother and made him an alien

ken | Apr 18, 2008 6:22:42 AM | #

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TV would be very boring if we all had to watch the same shows! Thank goodness for variety!

Susan | Apr 18, 2008 7:29:00 AM | #

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Luckily for me, I usually agree with my family and friends about what shows we like. Usually, when we have a disagreement about a TV show, it has more to do about which characters we hate or love. For example, my mom loves watching Desperate Housewives and loves Eva Longoria/ Gabrielle. I used to watch DH every week, but I stopped because I couldn't stand Eva/Gabrielle. I even like Lynette's kids better than Gabrielle! I enjoy watching American Idol, but my mom hates Simon Cowell so much, she won't watch anything but the results nights.

Paige | Apr 18, 2008 7:58:18 AM | #

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Someone once said to me 30 Rock was the stupidest, least funny show on television. Our relationship has been strained ever since. Because while I get that the humour may not appeal to everyone, I can't accept it being labeled as stupid or unfunny.

Kathleen | Apr 18, 2008 10:51:43 AM | #

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I truly love Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and all things Whedon. I have attended numerous fan conventions, and the first scholarly convention by the online journal, Slayage, back in 2004. BTW the third international conference on the Whedonverse is in early June: academic conference of scholars, not just fans. I have a Sunnydale High School decal in my back window, no other bumper stickers,etc. just a subtle reminder of the greatest TV show ever, and how much it means to me. Of course, I have all seven seasons now on dvd, as well as the original WB/UPN airings on vhs. I watch Angel reruns on TNT and BTVS FX in the mornings, and am currently collecting Season Eight in Darkhorse Comics [I met the illustrator, Geores Jeanty at Dragon*Con last year].
Buffy Lives!

Cass | Apr 18, 2008 11:57:54 AM | #

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Because I'm really picky about what I watch and am generally totally dedicated to it, I won't argue with anybody. If somebody didn't like ThirtySomething or Cagney and Lacey or The West Wing (were they insane? :) )
I didn't care.

But I DO have arguments about hte merits of Dancing With The Stars over American Idol. I've only watched one full year of it - the Hicks v. McPhee year - and sort of enjoyed it, but I can't watch it now because of Paula and Ryan.

DWTS has fascinated me since I started watching it at the beginning. I really DO like to see the dancing improve.

I mostly won't argue with anybody - if they don't have my great taste, they can't be very smart! LOL!

Jan | Apr 18, 2008 12:29:04 PM | #

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The biggest TV arguments I have are with my dad. When he saw a commercial announcing Lost's new season he said, "I can't believe they haven't canceled that show yet." As I was picking myself up off the floor, I heard him comparing it to Seinfeld, saying that "nothing ever happens." I'm usually defending Lost against peoples argument that too much happens!

He also doesn't "get" The Office (?), which would be fine...if he wasn't an HR manager. I always ask him, "Dad, have you met Toby?"

Natalie | Apr 18, 2008 10:32:48 PM | #

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I'm always arguing with people who proclaim that Grey's Anatomy is a great show. I simply can't understand how anybody can watch such junk. And don't even get me started with American Idol or Dancing with the Stars.. it seems a large portion of the TV viewing audience has lost their minds.

Ronald | Apr 19, 2008 2:33:06 PM | #

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Biggest TV argument? Not sure but most recent was that I couldn't convince any of my SF fan friends that "Firefly" wasn't just "cowboys in space." (Some of them came around later.) On the other hand, none of them can get me to watch "Battlestar Galatica."

meggins | Apr 19, 2008 7:18:04 PM | #

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I have had the buffy argument myself, and to be honest with you it is a show that I never would have checked out because I too thought the same thing that your friend did, but was surprised to find out differently when I actually sat down to watch the show. Joss Whedon is a genious! I have had similar arguments about the buffy actress Sarah Michelle Gellar as well! Gellar nailed it as Buffy and also as Katherine in Cruel Intentions! I have also had many similar arguments both with comparing Lost to Buffy and with defending my all-time favorite show Lost! The Lost and Buffy comparison comes from the suspense build up! Choosing the right moment for a commercial break( I call it the hook line and sink effect). No show does it better than Lost these days and no show did it better than Buffy those days! And anyone who thinks Lost is a crazy time changing supernatural drama that is past its time is just plain crazy themselves. That sort of statement is too upsetting to me to talk about. Ok, I went off on a few....sorry!

PGP | Apr 20, 2008 5:48:48 AM | #

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Not a show but a genre; Anime aka japanimation with my sister about the 'age appropriatness' of shows she lets her daughter watch.

My Niece is only 10 years old but she's allowed to watch shows rated for *older* teen (15 or older).

I'm not argueing that, as a parent she (my sister) doesn't have the right allow her daughter to watch what she wants but the reasoning she uses is 'the shows aren't that bad' and that she *talks* them over with her daughter.

She forgets that 1. I work for a DVD wholesaler & it's *my job* to know the content of our product to better advise our customer and 2. I've been watching & collecting Anime myself for years.

I know *exactly* what the material & themes are in those shows & the are not appropriate for younger kids, no matter how much a parent *talks* it over.

Like many Americans she thinks, just because it's a cartoon, it's 'kid stuff' but the Japanese view 'animation' as just another way to tell a story & there are shows for *every* age group.

Lynn | Apr 20, 2008 5:50:05 PM | #

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*Barb Wire* was exploitive to women but Buffy..?? Oh well, never really had argument about that anyway.

No, the arguments I get into are about the so called 'reality' show.

As far as I'm concerned they have no redeeming values at all.

They're mean & petty & bring out the absolute worst qualities in people. Like those thing should be served up as entertainment

Ran | Apr 20, 2008 6:02:02 PM | #

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"To the person upthread who said Veronica Mars is full of plot holes: you may hate Veronica Mars and that is fine but I have never watched a show that was so amazing on continuity. That one critique is ridiculous."

- I have to agree! I think the person that said it was full of plot holes probably didn't watch enough of it to realize that there were certainly red herrings and twists galore that might make single episodes appear inconsistent but that made you go "aha!" later. I loved it! I miss it so much!

AndreaC | Apr 21, 2008 10:47:13 AM | #

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Yes, I have certainly had the Buffy argument many times. But my "biggest" tv argument was with my husband over Charmed. I loved that show and I call it my biggest argument because when my husband pointed out why it was such a horrible show, I couldn't really refute him! He wouldn't even watch it for the skimpy outfits and he LOVES Alyssa Milano, yet he would watch Buffy with me all the time and he doesn't even really like Sarah Michelle Gellar!

AndreaC | Apr 21, 2008 10:51:36 AM | #

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Not an argument I was personally involved in, but some pretty heaving fighting I noted from the sidelines, Re: the various Star Trek incarnations.

Personally, I've liked all the Treks. But when The Next Generation first came out (1987!) there were vigorous and strident arguments in the Trek usenet news groups about how horrible it was and how it couldn't hold a candle to the only "true" Trek, the Original, with Kirk, Spock, and McCoy. A number of years later, Deep Space Nine came out, and arguments just as venomous and strident burst forth about how it wasn't really Trek, and it couldn't hold a candle to the only "true" Trek, with Picard, Riker, Data and Worf.

The arguments were almost word-for-word the same, only each generation had their own different version of the "only true Trek there is" to compare against.

As for me, I just sat back, chuckled at all the venom, and enjoyed all the shows.

David B. Mears | Apr 21, 2008 1:39:04 PM | #

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I loved reading these posts.
I haven't owned a television since January 1980, so I have no idea what you viewers are talking about!

Damian | Apr 22, 2008 12:12:05 AM | #

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I argue w/ myself if turning on the TV is still worth knowing that no show will ever live up to the perfection that is Everwood.

TV will never be the same to me when I see how much junk remains...

Thank God for the Office...

NatecoreUGA | Apr 22, 2008 1:28:29 AM | #

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i have an ongoing debate over whether the ending of The Sopranos is any good; i personally love it and don't think it could have been finished in any other way. but there's a large a amount of folk who disagree with me.

Good Lad #1 | Apr 22, 2008 3:26:27 AM | #

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poop

poop | Apr 22, 2008 3:51:16 AM | #

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My biggest movie argument was somewhat recent actually. It was arguing over the credibility of No Country for Old Men's ending, which I argued for, not against. It was about a 40-50 minute argument and neither of us have actually read the book.

Peter | Apr 22, 2008 4:24:32 AM | #

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For sure the biggest TV argument I have had was Me vs. Pretty Much All of My Friends on Gilmore Girls. I guess I can understand their criticism, but damn I love that show! Come on, guys!

Trey | Apr 22, 2008 5:28:03 AM | #

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I can't remember ever getting into an actual argument about it, but I've taken some flak for being an Ugly Betty fan. A lot of people can't get past the campiness to appreciate the smartly written dialogue and frequent emotional punch at the end. The season 1 finale was a fantastic hour of television.

Crystal | Apr 22, 2008 6:21:31 AM | #

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Thanks for the spoiler warning Assmunch. I hadn't seen The Office episode yet, and was almost in the clear....

Brandon | Apr 22, 2008 6:35:07 AM | #

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My biggest TV argument was with my brother about Felicity. He dismissed it as a stupid tween soap and refuses to watch even one episode. I think there'll never be anything like it on tv again.

Diana | Apr 22, 2008 6:41:49 AM | #

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I had never seen a Joss Whedon TV show until about a year ago after I watched Serenity and then Firefly and instantly fell in love with his work. And it all had to do with that title - Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I saw the movie and it was crap and then I couldn't believe they made a TV show out of it. A high school girl killing vampires? Get real already! So yeah, I had a few arguments with people over that show and I have to admit that after seeing a few episodes, they were mostly right. It's great stuff, Angel is wicked and Firefly was the best that didn't get a chance. And I've had a few arguments with people over Battlestar Galactica who think its like the cheesy 70s show and won't give it a chance. Its the best sci/fi on the air now. It's all about the marketing I guess.

Steve | Apr 22, 2008 6:55:41 AM | #

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This is my first time on your column/blog, and I have to ask: what was the pushing daisies debate? can we have a link? ;)

Carol | Apr 22, 2008 7:28:22 AM | #

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The biggest argument for me came with my friends and I at the beginning of the last season of Gilmore Girls. I was always a fan of Lorelai getting together with Christopher. So when the season began with the two of them together, and then lead to their marriage, I was super psyched. Most of my friends were not, as they were on the conventional Luke and Lorelai bandwagon.

We've also had some stellar throw downs over Grey's, since I'm a firm believer that Alex and Izzie belong together, and I think I'm the last one.

Reenie | Apr 22, 2008 7:40:32 AM | #

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I haven't gotten into an actual argument with a friend of mine over this yet because he's a bigger sci-fi geek than I am and has me at a disadvantage. He's a die-hard Star Trek/Firefly fan who despises Battlestar Galactica because, as he says, it's a rip-off of Star Trek. Meanwhile, I think BSG is a close second best TV show currently on air, after Lost. I've never been more than a casual Star Trek fan and can't get into Firefly so I can't argue in favor of BSG well enough, except to say that neither Trek nor Firefly engaged me (or my wife, for that matter) enough to feverishly rent the DVDs and catch up on the shows.

Alex | Apr 22, 2008 8:11:30 AM | #

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Longest never-ending argument (though it's always been more of a discussion than an argument) for me involves "Cheers": Diane vs. Rebecca?

John Boy | Apr 22, 2008 8:45:18 AM | #

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I am SO glad to see all the fellow Buffy lovers out there! I have had numerous conversations trying to convince friends that Buffy is one of the most well writen, original shows ever made. I think so many people dismiss it, or think it's silly because it's unrealistic in the sense that there are vampires, demons, etc. People can't wrap their narrow minds around that to get to the point where they can appreciate the writing, the amazing chemistry between the actors, the character development...I could go on and on! I won't, though, because I see how many people on thi sthread would agree with me! YAY!

Libby | Apr 22, 2008 9:01:58 AM | #

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My biggest TV argument was the great "Ben or Noel" debate from Felicity. I still go back and forth on the issue.....

Meg | Apr 22, 2008 9:02:09 AM | #

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I have had debates on a number of occasions about Jason Stiles (Chris Eigeman) on Gilmore Girls. I don't know if it is because I am a fan Eigeman from earlier film work, but I like him on GG. I think he is as good a match for Lorelei as Luke, and find Jason's exiting story line quite moving. Females I talk to always seem to disagree; they find him smarmy... but most of them also like Logan for Rory. Are there degrees of smarmy? Some smarminess is more attractive than other smarminess, maybe?

John | Apr 22, 2008 10:20:21 AM | #

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the biggest arguments were on "the Ring" which i hated while a lot of other people didnt, and also with casino royale where i couldnt stand Daniel Craig while everyone said that he was sooo good .. but fortunately the arguments didnt last very long !

cyankees | Apr 22, 2008 11:49:04 AM | #

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I've had a similar discussion as the Buffy one. But it was about Supernatural, people seem to dismiss it as a silly little show, and I keep arguing that it is in fact pretty awesome.

These kinds of shows in general seem to be easily dismissed.

roguem | Apr 22, 2008 11:59:48 AM | #

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One interesting thing with Harris Yulin. I remember thinking what a casting co-incidence it was when in the same night I saw him blown up on Buffy only to be introduced on 24

David | Apr 22, 2008 1:12:27 PM | #

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A big argument for me was arguing with my cousin about poop and pee. My cousin says he enjoys peeing more than pooping because pooping requires you to invest a lot more time in it. But since pooping makes me feel so good, and I get a lot of reading done when I poop, I always tell him, "No man, you're wrong - pooping is way cooler than peeing" but that's just me.

Herbert T. Quigglesnatch | Apr 22, 2008 1:42:05 PM | #

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hmmm After reading the comments here,one would think there have been only like 15 shows ever on TV.lol I have never actually gotten into an argument about watching/not watching a particular show,but I have tried to get people to watch a show I really liked that no one else seemed to be watching.Does anyone remember LaFemme Nakita? Great show,and while I enjoyed Alias,it couldn't compare.

kismet | Apr 22, 2008 2:13:45 PM | #

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I constantly found myself defending Studio 60 as a quality show. Guess I lost.

CL | Apr 22, 2008 2:19:04 PM | #

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I cannot believe nobody's mentioned The Sopranos yet. The debate as to whether Tony lived or died still rages on-- a year after the show has ended!

Dan | Apr 22, 2008 3:05:41 PM | #

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Totally had a HUGE fight with my friend about captains Kirk and Picard. I think that Kirk is OBVIOUSLY superior, but he just loves Picard. I wanted to stop talking about it after a few minutes, but he would not let it go!

Oh yeah, and arguing with teenage boys about why the Sarah Connor Chronicles sucks is a bad idea. They just go on and on about the "chick terminator" for like 20 minutes. Tres annoying.

Kat | Apr 22, 2008 4:08:21 PM | #

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Every show I watch I feel strongly about so when someone disagrees with me about how great it is then I feel forced to prove them wrong. It really worked for The Office. I've been a fan of The Office since the very first episode and crossed my fingers that after the six-episode shaky first season that it would return to primetime the following fall. Now everyone I know watches it and are fans. I'll have to say that there were a lot of skeptics in the beginning that I had to MAKE them believe that this is the best show post-arrested development (nothing will ever be as good as arrested development). Anyway, on more than one occassion I have had to defend The Office and am now glad that the rest of America loves it too!

Mendie | Apr 22, 2008 4:11:47 PM | #

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Biggest argument I've had? Also about Buffy - "it always happened in the same library" was his argument, after he had only seen three episodes from the first two seasons.

ashbo | Apr 22, 2008 4:41:06 PM | #

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Personally, I was always a big Buffy/Angel fan, and JAG, and Babylon 5, and all the Treks and a little gem we had back in the early 90's (when I was in high school) called Northern Exposure. (Which had nothing to do with toplessness; it was the early 90's version of "Men in Trees", except the main char was a Jewish male doctor.)

Nowadays, I have to say, I mostly watch reruns on cable of shows. The ONLY new show I follow is NCIS. As far as the reruns, I've recently gotten into SG-1.

CJ | Apr 22, 2008 5:46:06 PM | #

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Meh, Joss Whedon remains one of the most insanely "overrated" unknowns in the entertainment industry. And i LIKED "Firefly", but it was NOT the religious experience that most fans would have you believe.

Same deal goes for Buffy. It was midly entertaining, but extremely overrated...

Drew | Apr 22, 2008 6:18:18 PM | #

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I've tried for years to convince people that I firmly believe 100 years from now, Babylon 5 will be remembered as the paragon of 20th century television - and that it and Seinfeld will never be topped in their respective genres.

SCJA | Apr 22, 2008 7:01:37 PM | #

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I firmly believe that 100 years from now, Babylon 5 will be remembered as the paragon of 20th century television - and that it and Seinfeld will never be topped in their respective genres.

SCJA | Apr 22, 2008 7:02:07 PM | #

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Well Drew, lloks like you're the minority. Is it overrated just because you don't like it?

K | Apr 22, 2008 7:02:09 PM | #

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I saw the Taylor Labine post and just wanted to comment how good I thought he was in "Invasion."

hgbmom | Apr 22, 2008 8:27:59 PM | #

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I've had the Buffy and the Veronica Mars arguments over and over again. I love both shows.
BUT the biggest one for me was when they aired the joint episode of Grey's Anatomy and private Practice. They haven’t started showing Private Practice in Australia yet, so I have no option on the show its self; however after the joint episode I got into a massive argument with my housemate, as I believed that told the audience way too much information. By the end of the episode we knew the back story of each character. My argument was “what is left for us to find out? What reason do we have to watch this new show?” I thought a little background info on the old college roommate would have been enough; we didn’t need to know everything about everyone. My housemate argued that they needed all this information because otherwise the Grey’s views would be left feeling unsatisfied not knowing anything about these new characters. Needless to say this went of for a little while, but I blame him, he is so stubborn ;)

elyse | Apr 22, 2008 9:52:39 PM | #

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The poster who said that Buffy is satire got it only partially right, in my opinion.

Buffy is all about the metaphor! What girl hasn't slept with a guy who turned into a monster the next day? So in Buffy, he sucks blood AND he doesn't call (or instead of just calling and hanging up, he kills your friends).

My friends that don't like Buffy also don't understand why I watch Jane Austen on Masterpiece Theatre.

But my biggest fight was one Thanksgiving when for some strange reason, I really wanted to watch the episode of Friends - The One With Rachel's Real Life (at the time) Husband, or whatever it was called. My brother walked in, and wanted to watch Survivor. I stood my ground. The next day, he packed up his family and went home, breaking my parents hearts, and leaving a scar on our relationship that hasn't totally healed.

I absolutely loathe and detest so-called reality TV (except for the historical efforts on PBS. Regency House was amazing.) When I walk into the office break room and hear people arguing about AI or Survivor, I seriously wonder about the personnel department's screening process.

stellamara | Apr 22, 2008 10:28:06 PM | #

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