'Lost': 'Letters from the Flame,' 'Namaste' edition
Tons of questions to get to in today's edition of "Letters from the Flame." I won't bore you with a long intro, "Lost" fans, as this is plenty long enough as is. We're talking Faraday, Sun, Lil' Ben, and...mustard. Yes, mustard: the most devious of all condiments.
Why isn't Faraday with them "anymore" (Sawyer's line)? Has he already made his video to the future with Pierre?
Andrei
I think you're correct in putting "anymore" in quotes, as the guy isn't dead. Not yet. I am sure we'll see a Faraday-centric ep between now and season's end that explains how he went from seeing Lil' Charlotte in the Barracks to ending up in the Orchid looking at that rock wall the way my wife looks at Jon Hamm on "30 Rock." Translation: with swoonage bordering on the inappropriate. On a related note: I'm coming for you, Hamm. I'm coming for you.
As for the video timing: it could go either way. Either he hid his face from view because Chang knows every face that's supposed to be working on there, or they have already made the video and he doesn't want Chang to realize he's spying on a limitless source of energy that if improperly accessed could cause one big honkin' incident.
Ryan,
Any thoughts on how Ethan goes from a Dharma bundle of joy to a hard core other? I'm thinking the others started kidnapping long before 815 crashed and "adopted" Ethan (and maybe others DI kids) before the purge.
Kevin
Here's my completely unsubstantiated theory that is essentially fanfic but I like it anyways: Ethan was one of the first to get Room 23'd. I think we've all known all along that Ben couldn't be the only person in the DI to help ensure the success of The Purge, and what better way to recruit moles from within than to slip in an alternative cut of the DI-approved Room 23 with Richard Alpert's Director's Cut?
That whole mustard speech was some kinda code. Wonder what was in the bag but I don't think it was a grilled cheese sandwich! This Sayid and Lil' Ben Freakin' Linus encounter points to Ben already being an OnT (Other in Training). I wonder what he got on his Latin/Others 101 test.
DCMeads
This isn't a question, I know. I just think it's absolutely correct, and wanted to give props to the first person I saw posit this. I know a few others of you picked up on this as well. Jeff Jensen over at Entertainment Weekly also had a doozy of a thought: that after flashing into 1977, The Others were waiting for Sayid, and gave him instructions. I'll up Jensen one and put words into Richard's mouth: "We need you to be on the inside. One of my people will be giving you instructions. The key word? Mustard."
In this scenario, Sayid wouldn't know who was coming, would be surprised to find it's a child, then be quadruple mind effed to learn it's Ben.
So any thoughts on why Sun didn't flash to 1977 like the rest of the O6? Could it have to do with the fact she was pregnant when she left the island and didn't bring Ji Yeon back to the island with her?
Perry
There's the easy answer: giving the two of them a reunion this early would be dramatically unsatisfying. But in a way, the simple answer points to the subtler one: the people that went on Ajira 316 each have a specific purpose, a role to fulfill. Inherent in such a role is the need to fulfill it, thus each person has to fundamentally lack the thing they want most in order to keep performing their function. Allowing anyone any type of piece of mind beforehand would almost assuredly lead to failure.
That being said, there's another way to look at who went where: it's not that someone ensured that Sun stayed in the present, but made damn sure she never went into the past. Remember, we have two sides: the light and the dark. And the light is in a desperate fight for its life right now. Maybe it wanted everyone back, but only could pull a few. Other Sean's question will help me explain this a bit better.
What do you make of the state of New Otherton in 2008? Do you think this signifies the "dark side" is winning, or has already won? If the Oceanic 6 + Locke can save the Island, possibly undoing the dark state of it in '08, why would Cabin Christian wanna steer Sun down that path?
Other Sean
I think at the time in which Lapidus lands the plane on Hydra Island, the dark has won. But it's not a complete victory. They are just currently in charge of the Island. There's no balance remaining between the two sides. Having an overrun Barracks, with a defunct sonic fence, symbolizes how overrun the Island currently is. But Jacob is not dead: he's merely impotent.
I truly think Cabin Christian does not think in any way that he can lose. So he can give out plenty of information, because people like Sun cannot do anything with it short of saying, "Oh...what?" Look at Locke and Ben: the last two protectors of the Island placed in a time when the Island's last past protecting. If you imagine a titanic struggle at the point of Ajira's entry over the Island between CC and Jacob, then tactically CC would focus on Ben and Locke.
But here's why I have hope that Jacob's not dead: the runway. For that, let's let mri's question segue us onto that particular topic.
SO, the whole thing hinges on Ben. I agree on this point. He knew what was coming and built a runway for it. But HOW does he know? Des dreamed about his encounter with Faraday after it happened, and incorporated the memory thusly. Does Ben "remember" things the same way? After the fact? Because that would give Darlton a lohhhht of wiggle room as to how they're going to tie this mess up, and makes me nervous. And not in a good way.
mri
I don't think Ben remembers things differently due to events that occurred by people at the mercy of the Island's time flashes. That effect currently seems solely to exist within Desmond, with a teeny chance that Faraday experiences things in the same way as well. (This is how I posit that Faraday knocking on the Swan door worked to summon Desmond, but didn't work for Sawyer.)
I also don't think that Ben knew about the purpose of the runway. This is a slippery slope here, but I do think Jacob commissioned it, and may have commissioned it long before Kate and company were captured at the end of Season 2. Kate and Sawyer worked on the runway for what, a few days? I doubt they cleared an entire runway during that time. In short, it wasn't Ben who saw the need for a runway, it was Jacob.
Remember: Ben turned the donkey wheel with tears in his eyes, convinced it was the last time he would ever be on the Island. For the better part of three years afterwards, he was focused on vengeance, not return. Only when hearing the name "Eloise Hawking" escape Locke's lips did the plan to return spring into motion. But your worry about retcons and wiggle room is duly noted, and to share my thoughts on that, let's let Justin ask his question.
This is my first time posting. Ryan, love your writing, read it all the time, but have never posted till now. I decided to post cause basically you have me worried. I've noticed in the past couple weeks you keep mentioning how introducing young Ben will either make or break the show. I'm just wondering why you think this? Do you really think this one storyline will make and break the whole show? I know it's significant, but why do you feel so strongly about how it will affect the show? Just wondering. Thanks.
Justin
OK, I could write a chapter of a book on the potential pitfalls inherent in this choice, but I'll try to be as brief as possible. At the outset of "Namaste," Ben claims he has no idea where Sayid, Kate, Hurley, and Jack have gone. But he is in fact finally putting together a fact that's lingered in his head for 30 years: he once brought Sayid a brown paper bag while the latter was incarcerated. What the show now has to reconstruct and recontextualize everything we have seen Benjamin Linus do without completely violating everything that's come along since Henry Gale's arrival in Season 2.
After all, it's one thing to argue about whether Danielle Rousseau remembered Jin in 2004 having already met him in 1988. That's a question that's peripheral to the main story, easily explainable, and ultimately unimportant. But if we learn that a young Ben Linus came into contact as a child with people that 24 years later he'll terrorize, then that means we'd all better hope and pray that the writers thought this through a long time ago.
After all, Ben's not a dumb kid. When captured as "Henry Gale," he's almost instantly tortured by the same man he met in the Dharma Sheriff Station. And yet, he doesn't say a damn thing about this. Either the writers didn't realize they would send major characters to interact with a younger version of this character, or they have intentionally made Ben's motivations so obscure for the specific purpose of now unleashing this new revelation. Because almost nothing to date has shown that Ben has been interacting with people that are somehow they same age in 2004 as they were in 1977.
Now, even if the show long-term planned this twist, they are far from out of the woods. Because fans are going to go back and dissect every...single...thing that Ben has ever done or said. Luckily, the show has two aces in its hole: 1) Ben almost never reveals anything about himself, and 2) what he does reveal is inevitably shown to be a lie. But there still needs to be a sound, consistent motivation given to Ben that governs how he acts with the Lostaways.
It's simply not enough to say, "Oh, Ben knows them, just didn't tell them." Not nearly enough. Did Ben know that Oceanic 815 would crash on the Island? Why did he eventually go after them, intentionally or unintentionally getting caught in Danielle's trap? Why put four people from his childhood on a list for kidnapping? How do babies, Walt, Widmore, Hawking, Annie, and the Purge fit into this knowledge?
See where I'm going with this? All of these things are now affected by a freakin' sandwich. (Assuming it's a sandwich and not a bomb. Which it might be. This is Ben we're talking about.) And if the show presents a scenario in which the last three years of watching one of television history's most compelling, fascinating, and even sympathetic villains are suddenly rendered senseless, then the show as a whole is forever crippled. Period.
I'm not saying there's a good chance this will happen, but to deny this possibility is impossible for me. It's one thing to screw up an episode like "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham." A lot of people liked it, a lot of people didn't, and in the grand scheme of things it's not that big of a deal: it's a qualitative decision about 42 minutes of a much larger story. That's the type of micro mix-up that doesn't sink the ship overall. But if they screw up Ben Linus, then that's a potentially fatal mistake for "Lost" as a narrative whole. And by placing familiar character in his past, the show has opened up this possibility.
Personally, I'm not jumping ship, calling bull, or saying anything that rhymes with "humping the bark." But there's a bead of sweat there, no doubt. But ultimately, just because I can't see a way to get through this mess doesn't mean they don't. Lord knows I put more faith in them figuring this out than I put into myself. That's why they write the show and I just write a blog. A critically acclaimed, ladies-wanna-be-with-me-guys-wanna-be-me blog, but a blog all the same. So while I advise caution, I hardly suggest panic. Save panic for when they reveal that Jacob is the buried-alive love child of Nikki and Paulo.
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That's an interesting thought on the connection between the captured Lostaways from season 2 and the ones "currently" hanging out in Dharmaville. Maybe Jack, Kate, Sawyer, and Hurley were chosen BECAUSE of their "history." Perhaps there's even more meaning to Ben's telling Kate he thought she would have picked the doctor. In 1977 she and Jack might start living together, or maybe she'll duel Juliet for Sawyer, and Ben was just expressing his lifelong surprise that she never picked Jack. (They could duel a la Office. Do you think they have a time-traveling Prius in that carshop?)
Ben Linus is always several steps ahead of every one else, so I have no doubt that he knew the Lostaways but kept hidden from them what he knew about them. And what does he really know about these people? Sawyer is a security guard, not a con-man. Jack is a janitor, not a surgeon. Kate is (well we don't know what she is in dharmatown do we) anything but an ex-convict.
So while I'm sure Ben recognizes them and is surprised to find out who they are, I don't believe his interactions with them could ruin the show.
This is just my humble opinion though.
I personally would be 100% satisfied if it turns out 2004 Ben simply doesn't recognize 2004 Sayid...I have great difficulty recognizing pretty much everyone I haven't seen in 2 years, let alone 27 years. So, based on my personal experience, it would be a fully legitimate explanation. In fact, I'd consider it to be a bit of a stretch that 2004 Ben would recognize 2004 Sayid after 27 years and who knows how many other crazy experiences.
Think of it this way: even if 2004 Ben recognizes 2004 Sayid's name and face, why would he think it's the same person? The Sayid he met in 1977 should look 30 years older, so wouldn't 2004 Ben think that 2004 Sayid is a descendant of 1977 Sayid (son? grandson?), or just someone who looks similar and has the same (fairly common Arabic) name. Indeed, how could 2004 Ben even be certain he's seeing the exact same face from 1977? It's been 27 years!
As for the rest of them...well, we've only seen one scene where Ben and Sayid speak all of couple sentences to each other...so absent anything else this season, I would conclude that 1977 Ben simply didn't meet the rest of the Lostaways.
Ryan, thanks for answering my question. I now see where you're coming from. The reason I think Ben knew who he was dealing with in the earlier seasons, is because he always had the ability to tell everyone basically who they are and what they're all about. Is it just me or didn't he on multiple occasions pull out a manila envenlope with peoples info in it. I think the reason he was able to pull this info out of his backside is because young Ben was/is in contact with them. I don't know I'm starting to confuse myself now so I'm just going to stop writing.
TheOtherOtherSean-
But what about Richard? He knows that some people of the DI are time traveling, don't you think he would, at some point, mention this to Ben?
I agree with Ryan, this could very well ruin Lost. The fact is we were never given even the slightest hint that Ben knew some of the Losties from back in his DI days.
If they have Ben interact too much with them, then we are going to have to believe that Ben always knew who they were from the very beginning, and I won't be able to buy it, it will be painfully clear that the creators are just making crap up as they go alone.
On a somewhat unrelated note, I keep thinking about last season, when both Richard and Ben let Kate & Sawyer leave the island. If they both remembered them walking around in the 70s, then they would both know that they either wouldn't be able to leave the island, or that they would be coming back to the island. So, why let them leave at all? They could just as easily blew up the helicopter.
So, you're saying sometimes a sandwich isn't just a sandwich? But then again, Others have a habit of bringing their prisoners sandwiches. Juliet made Jack a pretty mean lunch, didn't she?
As far as Ben goes, I agree about him not knowing the purpose of the runway. I may be wrong here, but I can't see Sayid and company telling this little Ben (who they know turns out to be Big Ben) that they were time flashed back to 1977 after being terrorized by him when he grows up. He wouldn't be told that in the future, these people visit him in the past. I don't know how it's all going to be connected, but I'm ok with waiting.
"Jacob is the buried-alive love child of Nikki and Paulo."
Mid-season break cliffhanger in Season 6, just you wait.
I hadn't thought of the sandwich scene as a covert meeting, it's an interesting theory. I just ***ume Sayid's reactions were merely shock, though, not due to any "further instructions". The Purge won't happen for 15 years, so I don't think they could be in regards to that. And we already know Ben stayed inside Dharma right up until the end (excursions into the jungle to meet with Others notwithstanding). We shall see.
A lot of good theories here Ryan. I share your apprehension about the young Ben story line and even the parallel future we seem to have been thrust into.
However, I believe the writers knew exactly what they were doing all along. The key is season 3. I am currently re-watching it and get the same impression I did the first time: Ben is somehow semi-omniscient. This explains his dominance over the other characters on Lost.
Think about his first appearance in season 3. New Otherton is shaken by the buildup at the Swan and everyone stumbles out of there houses. The camera focuses to Ben who is the only one scanning the sky. Why? A couple of seconds later the sound of 815 is heard. Ben knew about the crash before it happened!
Plus this explains why Ben is so vindictive and strange. He has had shocking and traumatic encounters with these people in the past! I find that season 3 makes much more sense if all of Ben's actions are trying to avoid the breakdown of his authority- a breakdown that will lead these people to be hurtled through time and into his childhood.
What do people think?
Namawhat?
Props back at you and Diane. When you mention "if improperly accessed could cause one big honkin' incident", I ***ume you mean Faraday at the Orchid. After the season opener, I thought he caused the "incident" there and blooped to Tunisia, which would help explain how he made it off TI. However, after watching a rerun of "Orientation" in the Swan station video Pierre said "Not long after the experiments began, however, there was... an 'incident'... and since that time, the following protocol has been observed: That every 108 minutes, the button must be pushed". This clearly points to the incident happening at the Swan and as many have thought Jughead is most likely the basis of it. But then you mention Faraday having Deslike precog abilities which I had not considered but makes complete sense if he was zapped (to a much lesser degree) during a Swan incident. Now, I'm imagining a skinny naked Faraday talk about a hot pocket!
So do you think the Incident will happen at Swan, Orchid, Jacobs's cabin or Ethan's diaper?
As for Lil Benny don't be too concerned. The way I see it regardless of time, events are sequential. 2007 Des didn't remember Danny's avon call at the hatch until right after it happened even though it was in the past. Likewise 2004 Rousseau couldn't remember meeting Jin in'88 because it hadn't happened until after she was killed. These are instances of past events happening after future events. The Dharma O5 remember '04-'07 events because they went from future to past but lil Benny has not time traveled and remains constant in the 70'so he won't experience the 04-07 stuff for 30 years. (Richard directing him how to deal with the O5 is a separate topic) so to me this is the first time lil Benny meets them and following this logic older '04-'07 Ben couldn't remember meeting them in the 70's because that too happened after '07. Only fools are enslaved by time. Oh my, I'm not supposed to eat chocolate before bedtime.
Thanks DCMeade ... thats how I was making sense of it all along about Lil Benny ...