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'Lost': Answering some of your '316' questions

By Ryan McGee

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February 23, 2009 4:45 PM

Michaelemerson_lost_s5_240 The episode '316' has sure divided Lost fans in half. Many of you loved it pieces, while just as many called foul at the show's exposition, structure, and explanations. I'm still in the camp that 'The Lie' is easily the weakest Season 5 episode, but I can understand people's complaints about this past week's ep. I'm not here to lecture anyone on what episode they should or should not like: not only is that not my job, but it's entirely beside the point. What I want to focus on today is what questions we can reasonably ask at this point, and which ones are basically unfair to pose at this juncture.

I thought that Ben wasn't allowed to return to the island because he moved the island. What have I missed?
Maggie


I don't think you've missed anything, Maggie. Let's look at the scene in question, in the Season 4 finale:

LOCKE: Jacob told me what we had to do. You don't get to make all the decisions--

BEN: He told you what to do, but he didn't tell you how because he wants me to suffer the consequences.

LOCKE: What consequences?

BEN: Whoever moves the island can never come back.

Trying to square this with Ben's off-Island pursuit to return has been difficult, as Maggie points out. But in seeing how Jack, Kate, and Hurley return, it's no longer impossible. Remember, it's my assertion that Cabin Christian does NOT speak for Jacob, and therefore Jacob does not want Ben to suffer the consequences of leaving the Island. CC just wants him out of the way, and is playing on Ben's knowledge of Island lore against him. If the Island really, really wanted Ben to never return, he couldn't. But I think post-Tunisia, Ben realized he'd been played, making a return to the island a possibility.

Secondly, look at the Oceanic 6 as the equivalent of a hot chick in line at a nightclub. Ben and potentially other people on the plane are trying to exploit the Oceanic 6 to gain access to Club Island. If flying on that plane at that time yields access to the Island for the Oceanic 6, maybe it'll yield access to them, as well. They are piggybacking off Oceanic mojo. (As much as this analogy tickles me, now I sadly have the image of Ben Linus in a silver suit bopping his head to "What is Love?") To what ends are they piggybacking? Glad you asked, since reader Tee kinda wants to know that as well.

So it appears the Lamp Post seems to be the best way to find the island. And Widmore knew exactly how to find the Lamp Post because he gave Des the address to find Faraday's mother. So why did it take so long for Widmore to find the island? Why didn't he just get the coordinates from someone working at the lamppost years ago?
Tee


I think asking that question yields the obvious answer: he didn't know about the Lamp Post, otherwise he wouldn't have taken the 20 years or so Miles estimates it took him to find it the first time around. But you're also right that he knew just how to direct Des directly to the church. He didn't just say, "She's somewhere in Los Angeles, good luck."

I have a possible, convoluted way in which all of the machinations between Widmore, Hawking, and Linus make sense, but that would read like fanfic, not hard-core analysis. (Long and short: Hawking discovers the Lamp Post after the Oceanic 6 leave, thanks to a time-travelling son's message, with Widmore finding out about it after Locke arrives in Los Angeles post-donkey wheel inside the church, thanks to the similar energy there and the Island. Just because I like this version doesn't mean there aren't thirty other equally viable ones, though.) The takeaway is this: the three have very different agendas, and are using the survivors of Oceanic 815 in precisely the way described by Des inside the Lamp Post: as pawns in a game. Of course, I instantly thought back to the game of Risk, thanks to its presence in New Otherton.

Why are we so convinced that Kate = Claire? I've had several people tell me that Kate is pregnant, presumably with Jack's child, but I've seen nothing to provide any evidence of that. Just because they had weird sex when she was all sickly in bed?
Johnny Bench


"Kate=Claire!" and "Jin taught a young Charlotte Korean!" tie for this week's "Really Stretching It" Award, an award I'll try to bestow when possible on theories that might sound really good until you actually think about them. (Really? Charlotte can't remember her childhood, but fluently speaks Korean taught to her during this unremembered period? Jin introducing her to the language I buy; him spending long hours being her personal Rosetta Stone? Heck no.)

What gets my goat is not the theory that Kate and Jack might have unwittingly spawned a child that wants to come with you to fix things; it's that people insist that she got intentionally pregnant in order to facilitate re-entry into the Island. That take is posed as thus: just as someone told Hurley to bring a guitar, someone told Kate to get a bun in the oven before takeoff. I know this is highly ironic coming from a guy that writes about the show five times a week, but I'll say it anyways: we all really need to stop over-thinking the show.

Now, by that, I don't mean we have to stop THINKING about the show. But we (and I do mean myself included) have to stop instantly making connections that are formed in the heat of a particular moment as opposed to the history of the show in general. Here's the line that's got everyone in a frantic tizzy, spoken by Eloise:

"If you... want to return, you need to recreate as best you can the circumstances that brought you there in the first place. That means as many of the same people as you are able to bring with you."

My interpretation of this line: do your best, but don't feel the need to slavishly reproduce this for it to work. And while some events parallel directly (a dead body, a man rushing to the gate after almost missing his flight, a person in handcuffs), not everything does...nor could it possibly. Now, in a way, this is the show's own darn fault, another example of the "Sometimes a bracelet is just a bracelet," problem. But while I hated on the show for giving that excuse after prominently featuring two bracelets in "The Economist," then scoffing at us for trying to make connections, I'm supporting the show here is saying they explained the nature of Hawking's plan enough for us to not automatically assume Kate is now knocked up.

Evangelinelilly_lost_s5_240 Why do I think Kate's not pregnant? Because I look at her actions in Jack's condo the night before the flight from a character-based, not mythology-based, perspective. And when you do so, her reasons are much more believable. When's the last time she kissed Jack like that? After seeing a ghost. A ghost of a horse. A tactile ghost, but a ghost all the same. So what she saw in between leaving Slip 23 and arriving at Jack's house was a ghost. This ghost told her something that scared the living hell out of her, and caused her to give up Aaron in some fashion.

But I have an almost impossible time believing that this ghost ordered her to go get pregnant before taking off towards Guam. Why? If you insist on the mythological viewpoint, why not get Walt if you're so keen on recreating the flight? Or find someone else fairly pregnant? Secondly: the show would completely kill any affection the audience would have for its nominal heroine if we learn in the future that she abused Jack's feelings for her in order to facilitate a return to the Island. Whether or not you actually like Kate as a character is a bit irrelevant: the show wants to sympathize with her. If she intentionally got herself pregnant, that sympathy ends. Unless you're that lady who just had octuplets. Then Kate is suddenly your all-time hero, replacing "all those teenage girls from Gloucester" atop your list.

The advice I've given myself this season I'll now impart here: let the show come to you. It's insanely fun to speculate, but only really build a bungalow in Theoryville when you have more evidence to back things up. I've tried really hard to own up to what I don't know here, and being wrong when venturing guessing is par for the course here. But being "wrong" is sometimes just choosing a path different than what the writers ultimately did. And I'm more than OK in admitting that they know what they're doing with this story than I do.

So looking at what they've done in the past is possibly the best way to predict what they'll do in the future. Looking at Kate's past reveals 1) a flawed woman who occasionally turns to Jack or Sawyer in times of emotional distress, and 2) someone devoted to Aaron both as a parent and protector of what was lost on the Island. I can easily buy a scenario in which she left Aaron behind out of the latter character trait, which directly led to the first character trait rearing its head soon after. What I cannot buy under any circumstance is a premeditated plan on Kate's part to replace Aaron with a newly fertilized egg inside her uterus.

Because sometimes, sickly weird sex is just sickly weird sex.


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i don't think though, that it's beyond reasonable for kate to have realized that if she -ever- wants to have her own child, that night was her absolute last chance to get pregnant. 'recreating the cir***stances of the original flight' be damned.. if she wants a kid, it had to happen at that moment, or never.


Nice one Ryan. I too an getting kind of tired to hear all the ridiculous theories people cme up with after new episodes. That doesn't mean I don't like to read the opinion of the posters here, but please guys keep in touch with the show's reality.

At least everyone stopped trying to link Jughead to every past mistery of the island. Tough it was incredibly amusing.


Now Ryan, I don't think Kate went to Jack with the intention of getting preggers, but...


So, let me get this straight. Jughead DIDN'T release harmful radiation to everyone on the island that made Widmore remember Eloise but not the Lamp Post, and made Kate see ghosts of Cabin Claire telling her she had to get pregnant that night, leave Aaron in parts unknown, and hop on flight 316? Nah, I'm pretty sure that happened.


so true...weird sex is just weird sex...

great review


I think the folks who hated this ep had the same reaction I did, only magnified X5: "This is the best they could come up with?".
How the O5 got back to the Island isn't the worst contrivance the show has come up with (Toy Pane, Toy Plane, Toy Plane), but it sure seemed clumsy compared to something like "The Constant".

It also appears that folks are irked by Eloise's mannerisms, which seem totally at odds with the general tone of the show and with Ellie from "Jughead". Well, everyone else seems convinced Ellie MUST be a younger Eloise, but I'm not buying it just yet. I'm still not convinced Eloise is actually Faraday's mom. I'm just about ready to wager money that Elosie is a nun, whose day job is teaching at a Catholic school - it would fit her demeanor in the pendulum room 100%.

So, I think there is a fair bit of angst among some fans - they want the show to evolve a certain way, and the characters to be a certain way, but it and they just won't be. Like Ryan said: let the show come to you.


I am a Lost fan from Manchester England & have just watched ep 5. I have verymuch enjoyed reading the theories & debates on here & am looking forward to more!!!


Personally, if you look at Daniel's mannerisms ("Awesome - firing a rifle near a hydrogen bomb...really...brilliant plan...")and Mrs. Hawking's, the similarities are striking!

Both academic eggheads, with major deficits in the social niceties. If I had to guess, I'd say his father was probably Ben Stein!!


Ryan,

I agree with your position on letting the show come to us, especially this season. It seems that things are moving too fast to try and keep your head on straigh by coming up with new theories every single episode.

Having said that, I do believe something big had to have happened to Kate in the hours in between the pier and meeting Jack in his condo. She was completely dead set on staying as far away from the island as she could and then does a 180 and wants to follow Jack. I just think someone or something got to her and threatened Aaron (maybe Abaddon?)


'316', as it's own hour, was fair. Not great, not bad. It was better than 'The Lie', but not in the league of 'Jughead'. And even The Lie had it's good parts. I think the scene between Hugo and his mother is one of Season 5's cl***ics. The bigger problem with Lost is trying to evaluate individual episodes at all.

I have been a fan since moment #1, and will continue to enjoy Lost for the rest of my life. After 4 episodes, Lost took it's place firmly behind Hill Street Blues as my #2 TV show of all time. At some point during Season 4, it lept ahead of HSB to become my favorite TV show of all time. The only show in it's universe is Pardon the Interuption, and that's sports news, not scripted.

As a fully invested fan, I think that Season 5 is, and will continue to be, the best season out of the first 5. 'The Lie' is probably the weakest episode of the first 6, although the scale is insanely skewed towards great drama. I think I would put 'Jughead' at the top so far, but that ranking can change weekly. Every episode is full of great moments, and I expect more great hours, and maybe a couple of relative stinkers, before the season is done.

I think 316 was a pretty good hour. It's better than 'The Lie', but maybe it's wrong and unfair to break out these instant scales for Lost. Most dramas like Lost are better judged from a longer distance, evaluated after weeks or months have p***ed. When every episode of a drama is self-contained, they're like mini-movies. With shows like 'Lost', the episodes are parts of an unfinished painting. We are still getting information that affects how we look at every episode from Season 1 forward. Yesterday's post is a perfect example of that. We make lists of episodes worthy of re-watching in light of recent developments. Maybe 'Expose' is fairly decried, but we still don't know all there will be to know about episodes like 'Special' or 'Raised by Another'. When Season 6 is done, maybe '316' or 'The Lie' will be more complete, or at least the reasons for the shades used in those episodes will be better understood.

Now, if DL & CC (Carlton Cuse, not Cabin Christian) can craft an end-game that adds to the meaning of 'Expose' or 'Stranger in a Strange Land', I'll be severely impressed. And completely shocked.


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