'Lost': Show me the way to go home

April 22, 06:23 PM

We're totally list crazy this week on the Lost blog. And I don't mean grocery lists, either. On Sunday, we listed ten reasons you should be excited about this week's episode. Yesterday, we laid out five possible explanations for a mysterious door seen in the promo for "The Shape of Things to Come." And today, we're going to look a bit beyond the episode itself at a topic related to but not directly addressed by this week's episode: just how do the Oceanic 6 get off that darn island, anyways?

After all, something happens this week that jump starts Jack's quest to get off the Island ASAP. I won't spoil what it is, but sufficed to say, he's looking to leave by any means necessary after this event, and as such, it's worth putting on our thinking caps and looking at a few possible methods by which the Oceanic 6 end up on a remote island in the South Pacific that's not invisible to the naked eye, not dotted with research stations from a mysterious Initiative, and not featuring even one smoke monster.

Let's remember the specifics as laid out by Jack Shephard under oath in "Eggtown": eight people survived the initial crash, dragged by Kate out of the water onto a nearby deserted island and generally kept alive through her efforts. Two of those survivors died in between the initial crash and the time the Oceanic 6 were discovered. Them's the "facts," and by "facts" I mean "the story concocted in order to conceal a terrible truth."

We can't glean a lot from that story, but we at least know that the Oceanic 6 didn't magically appear inside the Mall of America. They were found on an Island ostensibly near the staged crash at a point yet to be determined, discovered more than likely by an anonymous "tip" by one Benjamin Linus. (Pure speculation, but that feels correct in my bones.)

With all that said, how could they end up there? Let's rule out ridiculous options like "super duper sling shot" and "by using Hurley as a flotation device." Let's also table the discussion of the other two people who factor into the cover story, as all options below could account for six or eight people from a practical standpoint.

We good? Good. Onto the options!

Option #1) The Elizabeth

Pros: Practically speaking, this is one of the best possible outlets for the Oceanic 6. While Desmond had trouble leaving the Island via the boat he once used to attempt to sail around the world, but he also didn't have Daniel Faraday's insight into the ways to get on and off the Island. Assuming Hurley leaves the Barracks with Aaron per Claire's orders to find safety for her child, everyone could leave from the beach undetected by the freighter, rendered helpless by Michael's subterfuge.

Cons: That's one insanely slow and conspicuous way off the Island, especially with a big honkin' freighter just offshore. Faraday wouldn't necessarily know how Desmond and/or Oceanic 815 approached the Island, therefore couldn't calculate a path for them to leave. Did I mention the insanely slow part?

Option #2) The Kahana

Pros: Given the sickness ravaging the crew of the ship, and given that all the mercenaries are on the Island, it's not impossible to conceive a scenario in which Sayid instigates a coup of the boat (his first act under Ben) and uses the resources aboard to get as many people away as possible.

Cons: It's possible, but unlikely. The Oceanic 6 ostensibly survived the crash and swam to a nearby island. That theory's out the window once people spy the ginormous freakin' freighter a quarter-mile off shore. Sure, there are scenarios in which they ditch the freighter along the way, but all stretch the possibility of this scenario being true thinner than Nicole Ritchie.

Option #3) The Orchid

Pros: We've seen inferences that the Orchid Station can send objects from one space/time to another, which means that one could simply say, "Beam me up, Dharma!" and land somewhere else in the world. Given the secrecy of the Oceanic 6's pact, and the worldwide war still raging after the fact, it's possible that the 6 got out through risky not benign means, in response to a grave threat and/or imminent demise.

Cons: That's the most out there of all the options, and while the inner geek in me would probably squeal in delight, the narrative geek in me would pout in disgust. Not only would be an easy out (literally), but it would also push the show even further from hard sci-fi into a more fantastical realm where incredible technology can be randomly introduced in order to solve narrative problems. I can see a use for the technology implied to exist in the Orchid in the overall story of Lost; just not in this instance.

Option #4) The Galaga

Pros: Well, if you want a stealthy way to get off the Island, a submarine would do you nicely. If you were suspicious of a soaking wet Locke on the docks of New Otherton, here's your narrative payoff to that seemingly incongruous story line.

Cons: Ockham's Razor says that sub was indeed destroyed, no matter how much certain Lost bloggers shout to the roof tops that it's still around. And if Kate suddenly turns into Sean Connery from The Hunt for Red October, I might have to hand in my Lost badge.

Option #5) The Helicopter

Pros: We've seen the helicopter successfully enter and leave the Island, so it's a viable option. Lapidus is both loyal to their cause and narratively expendable. He could help them escape but die in the process, leaving them unable to return to the mainland but still safely on land somewhere nearby.

Cons: Could all of them leave during the same trip? That's the biggest con I can conceive. I've gone off the belief that leaving the Island should be a monumental, dramatic, one-time-only event. Given that only four came to the Island initially in Faraday's chopper and only four left for the Freighter, the numbers work against this scenario.

So, those are the five I can conceive at this particular moment. Now it's your turn. What scenario sounds most likely? Least likely? And what did I miss? Leave your thoughts below!

Ryan also posts every 108 minutes over at Boob Tube Dude.

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Not to nitpick, but it's spelled Occam's Razor (the simplest solution is almost always the right one, if I remember the definition correctly). Otherwise, I'm wondering also if they all get off The Island at the same time. Given the logistics involved, I get the feeling that there will be some span of time between one or the other of the Oceanic Six leaving that area of the world completely. Also, I don't think they'll all be necessarily getting off The Island at either the same time or to the same place (or maybe not at the same "time," in Lost-speak). Right now, I'm just looking forward to the beginning of the end, so to speak. We're over the hump, and all episodes from now on will be leading to the final one, which will either be one of the greatest hours or so of TV ever...or it'll stink worse than six-day-dead skunks on the road in Texas in August. We shall see, hm?

Dark Disciple | Apr 22, 2008 7:03:36 PM | #

I seem to think that with the introduction of the Orchid, it seems almost obvious it will play some part in their 'escape'. However, there is the possibility that one of the ships (Kahana or Elizabeth) may be a means of transport. Perhaps something takes them to another Island, then Ben or some Other (Richard maybe) discovers them and brings them to the mainland, saying they stumbled upon the survivors in the middle of nowhere.

Also, I too don't believe the Galaga was destroyed.

Shaggysteve | Apr 22, 2008 7:41:45 PM | #

You forgot about the wild-card.
you know that thing you never saw coming. I get so sucked into this show, they (darlton) seem to get me every time.

Sam | Apr 22, 2008 9:02:15 PM | #

Here's another possibility. The landing strip that they were building on Hydra Island is used to land a small plane and pick up the six and drop them off. This could solve the logistical problem of fitting all six in one mode of transportation. Can Sayid fly a plane? I'm sure he could.

I also have a hard time seeing how all six of them come together and leave at the same time, but it's just another possibility.

Mike in RI | Apr 23, 2008 5:49:30 AM | #

Mike: THAT is the one I knew I forgot. I had an inkling I'd missed something fairly obvious, and sure enough, I did. I looked up all vehicles used on he show, but forgot about the landing strip. Good call.

Ryan | Apr 23, 2008 6:12:37 AM | #

It just seems like that wild card that Sam mentioned that they love to play. Something we haven't thought of in awhile.

Mike in RI | Apr 23, 2008 6:26:09 AM | #

I'm still stuck on #4, wondering how an arcade game is going to help them ... or are we expecting Robert Preston to show up with an intergalactic assist in that scenario?

DanC | Apr 23, 2008 7:16:35 AM | #

The helicopter option is impossible. Given the weight restrictions and, even more importantly, the fuel restrictions of helicopters, there's no way they could get much farther from the Island than where the Kahana is located without running dry and plunging into the ocean.

I know the Orchid will play an important role this season and it's being hinted that it might next season as well, but I just can't see them being teleported away. What I can see the Orchid acheiving is some kind of time distortion that could have repercussions to the overall story (I'm thinking Adam & Eve might be related to this).

My votes go to the Elizabeth and the Hydra runway. The freighter's not going to do the rescuing, I think, unless there's a mutiny and the crew abandons its mission.

Jeff | Apr 23, 2008 7:17:20 AM | #

I wondering if somehow Sayid, Desmond, and Michael take the ship over while the mercenaries are away. That way the mercs are trapped on the island and will have nowhere to run when Smokey eventually makes his appearance as "The security system."

Mike in RI | Apr 23, 2008 7:27:23 AM | #

I forgot about the Hydra landstrip myself. There has to be a reason it was built. Ben seems to have foreseen (or is reliving) this. But is the plane (if that's the way off) taking them just off the Island to another remote Island where they can be found, or is the plane going to take them all the way back to the mainland? If it's the latter, how would they explain how a plane could land on a remote Island?

Shaggysteve | Apr 23, 2008 7:47:12 AM | #

I like your theory that the Oceanic 6 would be taken to another Island close by, Ryan.

I could see them ending up in either Fiji (which seems the closest), or perhaps back in Australia.

Jeff | Apr 23, 2008 8:10:42 AM | #

For their cover-story to believable, wouldn't they have to be found relatively close to the fake crash-site, which is in the Northern Indian Ocean?

Shaggysteve | Apr 23, 2008 8:18:40 AM | #

No they wouldn't. I think the whole point of the Oceanic 6 going public is to disprove the fake crash site!

Jeff | Apr 23, 2008 8:20:10 AM | #

I agree that is the purpose of The O6, but now that would mean that Widmore definitely staged the crash and Ben is the way they get off the island.

Mike in RI | Apr 23, 2008 8:23:21 AM | #

Yep.

Jeff | Apr 23, 2008 8:27:25 AM | #

I would think Ben wouldn't want the real crash-site found either. Like Widmore he wound want to take attention away from the Island.

Shaggysteve | Apr 23, 2008 8:27:43 AM | #

Ben's goal is to discredit and shut down Widmore in any way possible. Disproving the fake crash site wouldn't reveal or compromise the Island's location and it would put Widmore in the defensive.

Jeff | Apr 23, 2008 8:40:44 AM | #

I agree. It is still next to impossible to find the island anyway.

Mike in RI | Apr 23, 2008 8:43:01 AM | #

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I still firmly believe that Ben staged the crash.

Jeff | Apr 23, 2008 8:44:27 AM | #

I don't think the purpose of the Oceanic 6 is to disprove the fake crash site. I believe it is to scare Widmore and keep him away from the Island. They very well may be found by the Christiane 1 near the Sunda Trench.

Shaggysteve | Apr 23, 2008 8:48:11 AM | #

If Ben staged the crash, why would the Oceanic 6 want to disprove it?

Shaggysteve | Apr 23, 2008 8:54:58 AM | #

Here's my take a few weeks ago on this:

http://blog.zap2it.com/lost/2008/03/lost-a-tale-of.html

Ryan | Apr 23, 2008 8:57:41 AM | #

Good point, Shaggysteve; you've caught me contradicting myself.

Basically, the Oceanic 6 are publicly outed as a play by Ben against Widmore.

Here's how I think it all works:

- Oceanic Flight 815 crashes on the Island. No one in the world knows this except the people on the Island.

- The world is looking for Flight 815, which has mysteriously disappeared

- Ben stages a fake crash site for two reasons: 1)To prevent the search for Flight 815 from accidentally discovering the Island, and 2)To initiate a play against Widmore, whom he knows is searching for the Island

- Widmore's boat, the Christiane I, finds the fake wreckage whilst on a salvage operation looking for the Black Rock

- The world is alerted to the fate of Flight 815 by Widmore. He figures out that since the crash site is located in the exact opposite direction as the plane's planned flight path, Ben (who Widmore knows is trying to protect the Island) must be responsible for creating a fake crash site. With this in mind, he knows he must focus his search for the Island east of Australia.

- Using Penny's coordinates, the freighter arrives at the Island

- Ben arranges for the Oceanic 6 to escape the Island successfully and tells them to go public, but not to talk about the Island or the people living on it

- When the Oceanic 6 go public, Ben plays his hand and reveals the "evidence" against Widmore to the world

- This puts Widmore in the defensive and partially out of commission while he is under close scrutiny

- While Widmore's down, Ben goes in for the kill and wages his war on Widmore and his officials to finish it once and for all

Jeff | Apr 23, 2008 9:16:55 AM | #

I don't know Jeff, you make some good points, but I still don't see the Oceanic 6 telling the world the crash was faked, whether Ben or Widmore staged it. By watching the flash-forwards so far it seems with the exception of Sayid the rest are trying to live a semi-normal life. That is until they one by one feel a pull back to the Island in order to save their friends.

Shaggysteve | Apr 23, 2008 9:38:30 AM | #

I don't think it's the O6 who tells the world. I think they show up alive and Ben makes his move at the same time.

Jeff | Apr 23, 2008 9:43:51 AM | #

I agree the O6 want to live normal lives, but they're helpless pawn's in the Widmore/Linus chess game.

Jeff | Apr 23, 2008 9:46:22 AM | #

I still have to know how it is that Ben has acquired such power and wealth. Jeff's explanation is the most believable so far except for the money and coordination it must have taken to stage a fake plane crash. As far as any of us know, Ben has been on the island since the plane crashed and has not left. He's been too busy with jacob's lists and his own lists and getting spinal surgery/recovering and trying to abduct pregnant women to have been able to spend any time off the island for the past 90 or so days. So, who is working for Ben in the "real world" besides Michael "AKA Kevin Johnson" that could have helped Ben orchestrate a fake plane crash?
The O6 have to get off the island at the same time because they are obviously found together if they are given the title of "The Oceanic 6" If they started turning up at different times in different parts of the world, the public would not necessarily know about it and it would not have made such huge headlines around the world.
I think they get off together and end up in a location where they are "found" and brought back to the mainland. Fiji is a good possibility. No helicopter, small plane or small boat is going to get them all back to the mainland from their current location. They'll have to get there in much the same way as Michael and Walt got there, whatever that was.

Chris | Apr 23, 2008 9:47:02 AM | #

I think the O6 are transported to an island near the faked wreck to be rescued as a means of throwing people off the scent of the actual islands location. That is why it is in the opposite direction. However, the original flight was 1000 miles off course when it crashed right?

Mike in RI | Apr 23, 2008 9:53:02 AM | #

For the Oceanic 6's cover story to be remotely believable, they have to show up somewhere near the Sunda Trench. If they are spotted 2,000 miles away, people would get suspicious.

I might be overthinking this, but I can't see how else this could play out.

Ryan | Apr 23, 2008 9:57:37 AM | #

But the whole point is for people to get suspicious! The Oceanic 6 being found 2,000 miles away from the crash site is living proof that the plane crash in the Sunda Trench is a total fraud.

Jeff | Apr 23, 2008 10:03:19 AM | #

From "Eggtown":

DUNCAN: Dr. Shephard. Could you please tell the ladies and gentlemen of the jury, if there are any of you who don't read the newpapers or the internet or watch television, how you met the defendant?

JACK: Um..on September 22, 2004, Kate (sighs, smiling) --Mrs. Austen and I were both passengers on Oceanic Flight 815, which crash-landed on an island in the South Pacific.

Jeff | Apr 23, 2008 10:04:34 AM | #

Notice how he doesn't say, "we were found in the Indian Ocean, near the Sunda Trench".

Jeff | Apr 23, 2008 10:05:53 AM | #

If the general public believes that the plane wreck is a total fraud, wouldn't they damand to know where their actual loved ones are and if they too, are still alive. That would call attention any island within a 200 mile radius including our LOSt island. There would be a massive search for, not only the real plane crash but, the person responsible for the fake one.

Chris | Apr 23, 2008 10:07:00 AM | #

I meant a 2000 mile radius and fogive my spelling errors ans I am trying not to get caught doing this at work.

Chris | Apr 23, 2008 10:08:19 AM | #

Yes, Chris, but that's why the Oceanic 6 has the cover story that everyone else on the plane died.

They won't be found near the Island and won't be able to explain where they crashed.

Jeff | Apr 23, 2008 10:10:00 AM | #

i agree with Ryan. whatever transport takes them off the Island can't take them too far.

also, on the "who staged the crash" front, i'm reposting what i said before in the link Ryan referenced above:

ok, there's path A and there's path B. but if i peer down betweent he two, i can find another, convoluted deer trail in the woods.

Widmore has a whole bunch of people working for him. who's to say Ben's not his unwitting henchman? perhaps, in some crazy, Enron-esque, twisted path to ownership, Widmore owns Mittelos. therefore, Widmore is playing everyone...

mri | Apr 23, 2008 10:11:47 AM | #

The helicopter theory actually works if you consider that the Oceanic 6 don't all leave the Island together. I mean, Jack, Kate and Sun are on the beach, Hurley and Aaron are at New Otherton, and a team of gun-toting mercs and a very pissed off smoke monster seperating the two camps. And of course, Sayid is 800 nautical miles off-shore.

So what *could* happen is Jack, Kate and Sun could leave via helicopter, maybe pickup Hurley and Aaron along the way (unless they escape via magic doors or teleportations...) and while flying out on the helicopter, they could radio Sayid on the freighter to tell him to leave in a skiff and meet them at a pre-arranged location, if not pick him up entirely along their way.

As for what happens to everyone else, well, that's the mystery isn't it?

Other Sean | Apr 23, 2008 11:23:38 AM | #

Except there's no way the helicopter can make it to civilization without running out of fuel.

Jeff | Apr 23, 2008 11:43:11 AM | #

I'm really not sure what you guys mean when you say that the Oceanic 6 has to be found near the Sunda Trench for their cover story to be believable.

Jeff | Apr 23, 2008 12:07:49 PM | #

Jeff-

well, it's mainly a logistical point. people who survive a plane crash over water do so b/c they found a liferaft. so i'm working off the assumption that those rafts are not capable of carrying 6-8 people 2000+ miles. hence the need to have survivors near the actual "wreckage."

mri | Apr 23, 2008 12:22:44 PM | #

I think what they're saying is that, if the plane was found in the Sunda trench, how is it that the only survivors were found on an island in the Pacific? How'd they get so far from where the plane supposedly crashed? How'd they get anywhere considering the plane looks like it went right into the water and straight down into that trench without any chance of anyone surviving?

Chris | Apr 23, 2008 12:22:47 PM | #

I got the impression people were thinking their cover story was the Sunda Trench.

Jeff | Apr 23, 2008 12:48:14 PM | #

Like, Ryan said:

"For the Oceanic 6's cover story to be remotely believable, they have to show up somewhere near the Sunda Trench. If they are spotted 2,000 miles away, people would get suspicious."

But how would their cover story be believable if they were found near the Sunda Trench? Everyone on the fake plane crash was dead and the official cover story is they crashed on an island in the South Pacific.

Jeff | Apr 23, 2008 12:50:59 PM | #

Jeff, I completely understand where you're coming from, namely Jack's testimony directly contradicts the crash site in terms of pure geography.

But having six people miraculously survive a nearby crash is imminently more believable than them showing up a few thousand miles away. Under this story, the plane breaks up, "eight" people manage to eject successfully, and swim/are dragged to a nearby shore. Given that it takes a few months to find the fake crash (in that it's waaaaaaaaaay off course from where it should have been), and given the inability to fully search the bodies via ROV, it's not past the realm of possibility that six people are discovered on an Island near that crash soon after the discovery of the fake crash.

Remember: the bigger the lie, the more believable it is. People would WANT there to be survivors, they would be happy, they would be celebrities.

Again, I see where you're coming from, but outright dismissing this as a possibility seems a bit much.

The other explaination, and it's one I don't even want to dwell on since it's too fantastical, is that when the Oceanic 6 return, reality has shifted, and the Sunda trench fake was never discovered/used. This would be the "end of Angel Season 4 reality wipe" which I hope is not the case but hey, some of you may be able to better piece this together than me.

Ryan | Apr 23, 2008 1:06:37 PM | #

I just don't see why Jack would be saying they crash landed on an island in the South Pacific if people want to believe they survived a plane crash in the northern Indian Ocean?

Maybe I'm just totally dense today...

Jeff | Apr 23, 2008 1:14:58 PM | #

I'm dense today as well. My brain's so BTRWTHD it's not even funny.

Basically, yea, I'm stumped. And I'm annoyed that I'm so ignorant about geography that I never realized the crash site and the cover story have a huge gaping hole. Unless this only goes to prove that Jack came up with the cover story, since he has a way of rescuing defeat from the jaws of victory.

Ryan | Apr 23, 2008 1:24:03 PM | #

I like the helicopter idea. It would be overloaded with Hurley, Kate, Jack, Aaron and Claire and Lapidus (optionally). So, someone would have to be sacrificed (jettisoned) so it could barely limp back to the Kahana -- which Sayid would have gained control of either by friendly means with the captain, or otherwise, since the gunnery guys like Keamy are on the island receiving their smoky butt-whoopin' -- the short straw goes to Claire. Maybe she voluntarily (before anyone can stop her) bolts after securing assurances from her half-brother Jack and from Kate, that Aaron will be cared for... thus fulfilling the prediction by the psychic back in Australia that Aaron will be raised in California by someone other than Claire. So, that makes Claire one of the 2 dead "survivors". The other dead Survivor will be... hmmm... Sawyer. This gives plausibility to Sawyer fathering Kate's "child" Aaron, for real world purposes. No way Kate could adopt Aaron with her legal troubles looming back in the real world... so Aaron has to be perceived as Kate's bio child. Since Kate wasn't preggers pre-island, a male has to have survived the crash but not made it off the island. Making Jack, Hurley or Sayid the father won't work for various reasons like ruiring them to stick with Kate in the real world, which none of them, nor Kate, wants. Better to blame the fatherhood on dead-guy Sawyer.

So that's how they get off the island... helicopter to the Kahana.

Ed in Colorado | Apr 23, 2008 1:25:30 PM | #

Why does everyone think Claire's falling out of a helicopter this season?

Jeff | Apr 23, 2008 1:28:01 PM | #

So that's how they get off the island... helicopter to the Kahana.

Ed in Colorado | Apr 23, 2008 1:33:24 PM | #

Thanks, Ed.

Jeff | Apr 23, 2008 1:58:32 PM | #

if i was on an overloaded helicopter with Hurley, love him though i do, he's large behind would be out of the chopper first. cruel, but necessary...

mri | Apr 23, 2008 2:00:31 PM | #

Jeff-

I might be wrong (and I admit that I sometimes am) but I think Desmond, during one of his flashes, foresaw Claire dying during rescue involving a helicopter.

Shaggysteve | Apr 23, 2008 2:03:08 PM | #

Maybe they leave by way of the Hurley Bird. Lol.

Shaggysteve | Apr 23, 2008 2:33:12 PM | #

Shaggy, you're right, Desmond did forsee Claire being rescued by a helicopter, but he didn't see her dying. In fact, the reason Charlie had to die was to save the lives of Claire and Aaron.

Jeff | Apr 23, 2008 3:19:58 PM | #

I think the "other two" crash survivors were Claire and Jin. Working within the confines of the cover story, Claire survived but died during child birth or something, and made Kate swear to raise Aaron. And Jin would be the other one because, hey, he's got his own grave back in the real world. We were told the bodies were unrecoverable, which means that if they brought Jin's body back to the mainland, he died "post-crash." And since he might die in the next few episodes anyway, they might take the body with them, especially if he dies during the Oceanic 6 getaway.

Of course, the thing in Korea might just be a body-less monument, not an actual grave. Which means he's still alive or they didn't have anything to bury.

Other Sean | Apr 23, 2008 3:27:31 PM | #

I guess we're just assuming that from what Desmond saw and the fact that Claire is not one of the Oceanic 6 that her fate centers in some way around the helicopter. Either she is taken by helicopter somewhere else and stranded or she almost gets on then falls. Perhaps we will be left with a cliffhanger not knowing the actual fate of Claire. It seems that there will some kind of focus on her in these coming episodes.

Shaggysteve | Apr 23, 2008 3:27:40 PM | #

I don't know why everyone is just assuming that the two dead survivors are from the 815ers. I'm thinking they could have brought two of the dead freighters with them, after some kind of fight that occurs.

There is no way the O6 left the island by helicopter, the restrictions would be too many, so they either left on Desmond's boat, or by that airstrip near the Hydra.

Either that or They travelled via "Jacob's magically disapearing house"

sin laden | Apr 23, 2008 4:02:00 PM | #

I would think that if the O6 bring back any bodies they would have to be 815ers, otherwise suspicion would be raised. I'm sure someone would figure out if the bodies weren't 815ers, as no one would claim the bodies.

Shaggysteve | Apr 23, 2008 4:59:03 PM | #

What if the bodies were in no state to be claimed? Maybe the reason Jack is so upset when reading the newspaper in the end of season 3 is because he found out someone outside the O6 died, someone they brought with them out of the island but went unnoticed (say Juliet for example).

sin laden | Apr 23, 2008 6:44:54 PM | #

It doesn't matter because there are no other 2 bodies. The producers have confirmed that the other 2 are just part of Jack's lie.

Jeff | Apr 24, 2008 6:38:08 AM | #

Speaking of the obituary that spurs Jack's suicide attempt, does anyone else think that some of the stewardess' for Oceanic could be working for Ben or Widmore? We assume Cindy was brainwashed to become an other, but was she? The stewardess at the beginning of "Through The Looking Glass" just happens to hand Jack the paper folded right to the exact obituary that sets him off on the downward spiral? Anyone else get the feeling that there is more to this that meets the eye?

Mike in RI | Apr 24, 2008 8:51:20 AM | #

It could also be like the dreaded bracelet situation and I could be looking for connections that aren't there. Have I mentioned how excited i am for tonight yet?

Mike in RI | Apr 24, 2008 8:54:37 AM | #

Mike, sometimes an obituary is just an obituary.

Heh.

Would people be down with me composing a short entry tonight so people can have a place to discuss the episode as it's happening?

Ryan | Apr 24, 2008 9:39:31 AM | #

I think Michael and Walt could be two survivors who they say died before the rescure of the O6. I also think it's Michael in the coffin since he lived in NY and the clipping clearly said the person who died was from NY. Michael would have had an assumed name since he was not officially one of the O6 and he returned with Walt under assumed names the first time he made it back the the mainland. Also, it could be that Michael was finally able to commit suicide successfully which would have serious implications, especially to Jack who tries to off himself but is unsuccessful. Jack may realize that the island's pull on them is either getting stronger or weaker. In either case, if he were ever to get back to the island, the time would be NOW and that's why he's so frantic about it. Maybe Jack is afraid he's missed some window of opportunity to get back and make things right.

Chris | Apr 24, 2008 9:47:40 AM | #

Ryan, cool idea, but sounds tricky. I don't know where you're located, but if it's in the West coast, I'll get to watch the show here in Canada 2 or 3 hours before you do.

Jeff | Apr 24, 2008 9:54:42 AM | #

I am also in the Northeast and I will be in bed dreaming about LOST when Ryan gets to watch on the west coast. Either that, or I'll be downstairs chatting/obsessing about the episode while my family is upstairs asleep.

Chris | Apr 24, 2008 9:58:52 AM | #

I'm on the East Coast, forgot all about different time zones. Bah. Oh well. Was an idea.

Ryan | Apr 24, 2008 9:59:48 AM | #

Well, sounds like at least three of us are in EST.

Jeff | Apr 24, 2008 10:04:35 AM | #

I still have to belive Penny is somehow involved in their rescue. You have to remember that she was the first person we saw from the outside world trying to find the island. When her people in the "ice cave" called her, it was her chance to finally find Des, and everyone else. Also, we all saw Hurley painting what looked like those two guys once he gets off the island. I don't know exactly how Penny would get to the island so quickly (from Christmas Eve when she talked to Des) but I want to think she's the one who rescues them.

Another possibility could be Ben letting them off the island. Like people have said, the landing strip could give them the option of leaving the island. Plus, with Sayid working for him the future, he may be paying him back for letting them leave. If that makes any sense.

A-Rob | Apr 24, 2008 10:12:30 AM | #

I am too. Hence the RI in Mike in RI.

Mike in RI | Apr 24, 2008 10:13:24 AM | #

I don't think that's michael in the coffin, because either Walt or someone else would attend the funeral. Besides, you're forgetting that the captain now knows Michael is the one sabotaging his boat, so I don't even think he'll make it to NY again.

That comment about Penny made an idea pop up in my mind: what if those two brasilians in the "ice cave" not only alerted Penny to the location of the island, but also Charles Widmore? Maybe that's how the Kahana got to the island, and maybe Penny relies on daddy to save Desmond (after all, she doesn't know how Mr. Widmore sent Desmond to the island).

Ryan - that is a really cool idea, but I have no way of watching the show before tomorrow morning.

sin laden | Apr 24, 2008 11:23:51 AM | #

sin laden, I agree. I've been saying the same thing about Penny/Charles all season!

Jeff | Apr 24, 2008 11:26:27 AM | #

I've thought of it in a similiar but slightly different way: Charles has always monitored Penny's attempts to find Desmond while pursuing his own leads as well. He keeps telling her to let it go, which only fuels here desire to find Des that much more. Thus, when the Ice Men tell Penny, the phone's tapped, Charles has the location, and off they go.

I'd tie this all into the Helgus Antonius, but hey, The Lost Experience isn't canon. Shoot me in the water bottle, Keamy. Just shoot me.

Ryan | Apr 24, 2008 11:58:29 AM | #

I'd like to think that Penny asks her father for help when she discovers Desmond's location. He tells her to forget about Desmond and not to hope for a helpless cause and at the same time secretly uses the coordinates to launch the freighter expedition.

So, by the time Penny connects with Charlie in the Looking Glass and with Minkowski in the Freighter, only then does she finally realize that she's been played by her heartless father.

That's why I don't think Penny will do the rescuing this season. Her rescue attempt will be much harder to achieve, not having quite the resources and manpower her father has, and will come in season 6.

Jeff | Apr 24, 2008 12:06:38 PM | #

I too am on the East Coast. Florida actually. However with my 2 kids(ages 1 & 3) running around I can't always watch in real time. I tape it with my DVR, then watch it at a snails pace. I just don't want to miss a single moment.

Shaggysteve | Apr 24, 2008 2:47:04 PM | #

I say the airport will play a role. Remember how the small plane with the priest's and smuggler's body was found on the island? That came from Africa! This is LOST, don't worry about distance, just follow different flight path off island and Shazzam! Scholar boy who launches his probes from the ship will figure a trajectory and Ben will pull a plane out of some Dharma hangar.

James | Apr 24, 2008 7:21:51 PM | #

I see there isn't a during-episode blog going on. But being on the East Coast and just watching this episode, all I can say is...

Worth. The. Wait.

A-Rob | Apr 24, 2008 8:05:39 PM | #

A-Rob, I second that. Definitely worth the wait. That was probably the best hour of television I have ever seen in my life. The last 5 minutes almost made me wet myself.

Due to the lateness of the episode and the fact Ryan's recap won't be up for another hour at least, I feel I must head to bed. Though I wish I could take tomorrow off just to talk about the episode with all of you. There is so much to talk about.

Until then...

Shaggysteve | Apr 24, 2008 8:14:06 PM | #

As Shaggy said ... this was the BEST hour on TV ... is it thursday yet! I know ... gotta wait another week, but this episode was awesome from beginning to end ...

Erwin | Apr 24, 2008 8:18:01 PM | #

I third the motion. Simply riveting television. Lots of comments once the show thread opens.

Bryan | Apr 24, 2008 9:17:34 PM | #

I know ... I can't wait to see what everybody has to say ... was just plain fantastic ...

Erwin | Apr 24, 2008 9:22:45 PM | #

Recap is up over here:

http://blog.zap2it.com/ithappenedlastnight/2008/04/lost.html

enjoy!

head...so...dizzy...show...so...good...

Ryan | Apr 24, 2008 9:45:08 PM | #

I vote for the helicopter. Sayid's already on the freighter, Aaron's small enough to be carried - leaves four to get on the copter. The mercinaries were somewhat wiped out by smokey (next week's preview shows at least one made it). Also how many of them were there? They all got there on the helicopter correct? so it can obviously take at least that many.

Ben's mentioned the Elizabeth as the way he got off the island to Sayid. Granted we all may dispute that that is actually how Ben got off the island, but Sayid bought it as Ben's transport....which he wouldn't have if the Oceanic 6 had used the Elizabeth as their means to leave.

I think they take Frank takes them via Helicopter to the frieghter...most of the gunmen are on the island, dead or otherwise; the crew left on the boat are half-mad; the Captain wants the hell out of there...I think the freighter limps to a spot where they're intercepted by some other ship and our group is resuced.

no-idol | Apr 28, 2008 8:27:41 AM | #

There are planes that drop off supplies onto the island. Perhaps one of those could be persuaded to land?

Siansonea | Apr 28, 2008 10:19:50 AM | #

In last week's episode, during a flash forward - Ben also mentioned to Sayid "Desmond's boat" as the way he traveled to get to where Syhid was. BUT, in the opening of the flash forward, it seemed that Ben had just "appeared" in the dessert injured. Why would Sayid question how Ben was able to travel off the island??? That kind of cancels out some of the possiblities listed above, the obvious ones anyway.

And, the teaser revealed that Jack's appendix is about to burst and he needs to get off the island or he'll die. Pay attention:)

Personally, I think Ben makes sure the Oceanic 6 gets off the island to cover up any evidence of the island itself.

AND I still want to know who's body was in the funeral home last season!!!! Remember when Jack called Kate and they met by an airport and he told her "he had died" and Kate said - "I don't want to see him" WHO WERE THEY TALKING ABOUT??? That's one of the questions from last season that isn't answered and it's making me crazy!

LOST fanatic | Apr 28, 2008 1:34:02 PM | #

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