This afternoon's cuppa: black iced tea with a hint of mint
Today, The Hollywood Reporter announced that Fox has picked up "Human Target," the DC Comics-inspired series starring Mark Valley, who last appeared in the recurring role of unfortunate FBI Agent John Scott in Fox's "Fringe," and subsequently married the show's star, Australian actress Anna Torv.
(He was also the star of Fox's "Keen Eddie," the early demise of which broke my heart, but left me with a great magnetic dartboard and a very cute Pete the dog bobblehead.)
Of course, if I'd been paying closer attention to last Friday's conference call with "Fringe" executive producer JJ Abrams, I would have been able to tell you about "Human Target" last week.
At least I remembered today that I heard Abrams say what he said and dug into the transcript, which also came out today. It's all in there somewhere.
(Oh, and Abrams' new "Star Trek" movie will be airing eventually on Fox's sister cablenet FX, but I have no evidence indicating that has anything to do with "Fringe" being picked up for a second season. None at all.)
Here's Abrams' answer to a question posed by Adam Morgan from www.fringetelevision.com...
Morgan: ....Anyway, now that we've seen Charlie and Broyles in
this alternate reality, do you think we might run into, say, a still breathing
John Scott over there?
JJ Abrams: I
would say that it'll be very difficult now that John's show got picked up.
A. Morgan: Oh,
that's right.
JJ Abrams: But
having said that, I'm very excited his show got picked up, and I do think that
there will be some very interesting things happening, given this other place
that you were referring to. ...
I gotta get back to my deadline work, so here's the rest, and since "Fringe" comes on in less than an hour in Eastern time, read fast...
Final Transcript
FBC
PUBLICITY: Fringe Conference Call with JJ Abrams
May 8, 2009/2:00 p.m. PDT
SPEAKERS
Josh Governale
JJ Abrams
PRESENTATION
Moderator Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by,
and welcome to the Fringe Conference
Call with JJ Abrams. At this time, all
participants are in a listen-only mode.
Later, we will conduct a question and answer session. Instructions will be given at that time. As a reminder, this conference is being
recorded. I would now like to turn the
conference over to Josh Governale.
Please go ahead.
J. Governale Thank you,
Brad. Thanks, everyone. Good afternoon. I just want to say thank you to everyone for
your ongoing support throughout this season.
We look forward to continue this through Season 2, and as one last
reminder, Fringe has its revealing
season finale on Tuesday, May 12th at 9:00/8:00 Central. So JJ Abrams, thank you very much for taking
time out of your very busy and exciting week for questions and answers.
JJ Abrams Oh,
please, this is my pleasure and you've just basically done all my work for me
just now. I think we can basically just
end this. No, that was very nice of you,
and it's my pleasure to do this. Thank
you to everyone on the call for being here.
J. Governale Please
proceed with questions and answers.
Thank you.
Moderator And our
first question comes from the line of Joshua Maloni from Niagara Frontier. Please go ahead.
J. Maloni Hey, JJ,
thanks a lot for your time today.
JJ Abrams How's it
going? My pleasure.
J. Maloni Tell us a
little bit about the conversation that landed Leonard Nimoy in the season
finale, if you would, please.
JJ Abrams I believe
what happened was it began with an e-mail that I sent to him -- oh no, this is
what happened, this is what happened. I
remember, I called him and I just essentially started begging, and I told him
that we were doing this show. He was
familiar with it, but I don't think he'd seen it. But he knew of the show and I basically
explained that there was a critical character who had been mentioned throughout
the first season, including the pilot, and it was a big deal for the show, and
not just where he came from and what his back story was, but where it was
going, and that it would be an obvious honor if he would consider playing the
part.
He
was open to the idea of it but he wanted, of course, to see the show and read
some pages, and so we sent him everything that we could, and I was thrilled
when he called back and said that he thought it was intriguing and
interesting. And that was how we
actually ended up getting him to return to the role of Spock in Star Trek, where we told him the idea,
..., and his response was interest and intrigue, and I knew that was a good
sign.
J. Maloni All
right. And what can you tell us about
that season finale?
JJ Abrams I can tell
you that it is, in the story of Fringe,
it is the end of one chapter and the beginning of another. If you look at the show as a series of
stand-alone episodes, I think it even works in that regard, but because we're
trying to do both, have a show that you can tune into at any time and get a Fringe fix, or you can watch regularly
and sort of ride the wave of the overall story and see how things connect and
fit together that you might not otherwise expect to. This show feels like it is definitely one of
those tent pole episodes in the ... of the show.
But
I think it really does begin the story that's in the beginning of the show, we
knew wasn't ..., but the first season was really about the set-up of this
world, the characters, their roles, their jobs, getting a sense of, and I think
that as the show went on, we got more of a handle on their actions. But getting a sense of the rhythm of the
show, but this is really a massive sort of turning point in the long term arc
of the series.
J. Maloni All
right, looking forward to it. Thanks,
JJ.
JJ Abrams I can't
wait to see it. Thanks so much.
Moderator We'd like
to remind everyone to just ask one question at this time. The next question comes from Andrew Hanson
with LA Times.
A. Hanson Hello. When you originally conceived of the series,
did you have anyone in mind for the part of William Bell, and were you planning
to hold off for the entire season before he first was revealed?
JJ Abrams Well,
thanks for the question. We discussed
having him show up earlier in the season, but as you work on a show and as the
season progresses it tells you as much as you're telling it, sort of what it
wants to be, and it was clear as we were going that getting to William Bell
could and should be pushed off, and we should pace ourselves. And that's one of the biggest challenges, I
think, of any first season of a show is really finding the pace of the series,
especially a show that has both a stand-alone episode-to-episode and a ... to
follow. So that was very important to
us.
Moderator And our
next question will come from Glen Garvin with the Miami Herald. Please go ahead.
G. Garvin Mr.
Abrams, three weeks out of the last four, I believe, my TiVo has missed the
conclusion of Fringe because it ran
past 10:00 p.m., after getting a late start due to the expansion of American Idol. I've heard the same complaint from numerous
of my readers. So I have two questions,
notwithstanding my instructions to only ask one. The first is, does it bother you that the
show is carried by a network run by drooling ... idiots? And second, can you tell me what happened in
the final two minutes last Tuesday night?
JJ Abrams Well, I
will say that I do have a different opinion about the network. But I will say that I, too, have heard from a
number of people in frustration that the shows have been cut off, and it's
infuriating. And this happens to me,
obviously, as well when I'm watching something, not necessarily Fringe because I get the DVD. But it is infuriating, and I would say that I
would be happy to send you, rather than describe what happens in those last two
minutes, which I think are actually pretty cool, I'd rather send you the DVD,
if you don't mind, than describe it to you because I think it's fun to watch.
G. Garvin That would
be great.
JJ Abrams Done.
G. Garvin Thanks.
JJ Abrams Thank you,
sir.
Moderator And our
next question comes from Ellen Gray with the Philadelphia Daily. Please
go ahead.
E. Gray Well, I
looked those last two minutes up, or the last ten seconds up, on Hulu, but the
-
JJ Abrams I'd be
happy to send you a DVD as well, if you'd like one.
E. Gray No, it's
okay. The show, I don't want to say it
changed tone over time, but it did seem to be a lot funnier as time went by and
also, I think, maybe Olivia became less of a, or maybe I hate to say it, but a
robotic character? How much of the arc
of the season did you have in your head when you started and how much of it, as
you say, is the show finding itself and telling you what it wants to be?
JJ Abrams Well,
thank you for the question. We actually
had a surprising amount of plans in terms of broad strokes, but the crazy thing
is, as you work on it, like I said, you start to get resistance, not from an
actor and not from a director, or even other writers on the show, but you start
to, the show just sort of defines its shape in a strange way. I do think that one of the things that I love
about the show is the kind of inherent humor in the insanity of it. If the show takes itself too seriously, then
I'm afraid people will laugh at it. But
if the show has humor inside of it, then the show itself is embracing and
admitting to the preposterous nature of many of the episodes and stories.
I
love preposterous stories. My favorite
movies, if you look at Jaws or Alien or Tootsie, or whatever, I mean, there are movies that if you describe
the story, you go what? All right, well,
okay. But done well, you're like, oh my
God, this is the greatest write ever. So
for me, the humor did, I think, increase as the season went on and I do think
things like bringing in Olivia's sister, I think, began to give her at least
opportunities to sort of be warmer to someone.
She's a character who admitted in the show that she doesn't really have
friends, so I think that there's a, the story for Olivia over the course of
time is one of a guarded, protective woman who over time is in a sense forced
to kind of be more vulnerable and forced in, and this is as you'll see,
something that happens definitely next year, but it is an evolution for her.
Moderator And our
next question will come from Walt Belchter, with Tampa Tribune. Please go
ahead.
W. Belchter Hello. Congratulations on everything.
JJ Abrams Oh, thank
you, sir.
W. Belchter Good movie
and good renewed TV show.
JJ Abrams Oh, thank
you very much.
W. Belchter I have a
question about, you seem to like time travel.
There's time travel in Lost
and time travel in Star Trek
movie. Will there be time travel on Fringe?
JJ Abrams Well, I
definitely think that one of the fun aspects of doing Fringe is the kind of open-ended possibilities of the show, where
we could go and what we would do.
Obviously, it is not a brand new convention, the idea, especially science
fiction, the idea of traveling through time and space. But I would say that while Lost concerns itself more with traveling
through time, I would say that Fringe
can serve itself more in traveling through space.
Moderator And our
next question will come from Adam Morgan, Fringetelevision.com.
A. Morgan Hey,
JJ. Thanks again for doing this.
JJ Abrams Oh, thank
you.
A. Morgan All of your
projects feature very strong-willed, independent females like Olivia. Who or what is your inspiration for those
characters?
JJ Abrams Well,
thanks for the question. I would like to
think that I've been lucky enough to work on projects that have strong-willed
characters who happen to be male or female, and certainly in the case of
characters like Kate or Sydney Bristow, and certainly Olivia Dunham, that those
are females who are ... because they are interesting and strong-willed. But I also could point to certain male
characters that have the same thing. So
I guess the answer is, I don't really try to write characters who are strong
women, I just try to write, where I can, strong characters, and if they happen
to be women, they happen to be women.
In
my life I've got the most spectacular wife in Katie McGrath. She is probably the strongest and best
influence on me that I've ever had, and I would say that it's no coincidence
that it was after I met her that I wrote Felicity,
mostly because I think she reminded me to write about stuff that I actually
care about again, because it had been a while.
But her strength and her amazing ability to not only immediately
understand right and wrong, but she's amazingly capable at articulating that
position, and she's very socially active and politically-minded and fights a
good fight, and she's someone who is definitely an inspiration, who happens to
be a woman.
Moderator And our
next question will come from Mike Hughes, TV America.
M. Hughes Hey, JJ,
since everyone else has been asking about the show, let me just ask you about
your mood today. It's got to be a super
weird day for you to have a movie come out, the first full day of it and get
the kind of reviews you've had and so forth.
You've been looking forward to it for so long. Just how do you feel right now? What kind of day is this for you?
JJ Abrams Well, it's
nice of you to put it that way, and thank you.
I'm, of course, on the edge of my seat in terms of what the business of
the film will be like. I just pray
people go, and that they like it. But in
terms of my actual day, it was wonderful because my oldest son didn't have
school today so he and I got to hang out, and especially given how much
traveling we've all been doing on the movie, it was really nice to just get to
hang out with him and have as close to a non-working day as possible. So it's just been fun. It's been good.
Moderator And our
next question will come from Mickey O'Connor, TVGuide.com.
M. O'Connor Hey, JJ,
thanks for taking the time with us today.
JJ Abrams Oh, thank
you.
M. O'Connor I'm wondering
if Season 1 was about learning about the enemy, learning about ZBT and learning
about how Walter and Olivia cross paths with that. I'm wondering if you can speak sort of
generally about what Season 2's arc might be.
JJ Abrams Well,
first of all, I would say that it's ZFT.
M. O'Connor ZFT, sorry.
JJ Abrams I would
say that, yes, I think the first year was about not just getting to know the
enemy but getting to understand that there is an enemy.
M. O'Connor Right.
JJ Abrams I would
actually argue that in a way Season 2 is getting to know the enemy. Season 1 is identifying that there is an
enemy and really getting to know each other.
But I think that as the show progresses what you'll see in the second
season is that it's building to a very specific type of confrontation and I
think that you'll see that there will be a really interesting shift in the sort
of fundamental paradigm of the show at the beginning of next season, in a very
cool way.
So,
without going into any details about it, it has a kind of fun, fresh way in
next year that I think is, you never know how it's going to work, you just
cross your fingers and pray people like it, but I feel like it's one of those
next season beginnings that feel thrilling to me, in a way that is more than
just, oh, I can't wait for him to come back.
It's, I can't wait for him to experience what we're doing, and for them
to come back this way. And so that's the
thing that is, I know I'm being insanely vague, but I would say that the
excitement is not just now, in sort of these characters knowing each other, but
now it's with playing with them a little bit.
Moderator And our
next question will come from Hilary Rothing with Ugo.com
H. Rothing Thank you
for everything, JJ.
JJ Abrams Thank you.
H. Rothing I'm
wondering, what lessons, if any, did you learn from Lost that you applied to the creation of the first season of Fringe?
JJ Abrams Have Damon
Lindel of run it. No, well the truth is,
when I was on Lost, at the beginning,
we were just trying to figure out how the show was going to work and how could
we take our ideas that we had, these big picture ideas, and actually make a
series out of it, which ... what happens with every show. But one of the lessons that I learned from Lost, and from Alias, was to try and create a show without ... that would not
confound people if they happened to miss the first two or three hours. And it was a very conscious decision at the
very beginning of developing the show, which was like, let's come up with a
show that could just be a series of really crazy week-to-week insane events,
and knowing that we all love the ongoing nature of series television character
development and stuff, we knew that we would never not have that as a part of
it.
So
secondarily, we knew we would be doing, of course, character stories which you
would see evolve over the years. So we
try to pace ourselves out in that regard.
But I think that the biggest lesson was to try and avoid hurting
people's brains by making the show too confusing too early and then making it
in that regard, limiting to and unwelcoming ...
Thank you for the question.
Moderator The next
question is from Curt Wagner with Redeye.
Please go ahead.
C. Wagner Hi,
JJ. First of all, I just want to thank
you for both Fringe and Star Trek.
JJ Abrams Oh, thank
you.
C. Wagner They're
both awesome.
JJ Abrams Oh, right
on. Thanks.
C. Wagner And then I
wanted to ask you about, I talked to Jasika Nicole recently, and she told me
that the season finale is going to reveal good secrets about Peter and his
past, and I was wondering if you could tell us a little bit about that. I know you can't tell us what they are, but
like maybe what kind of things we're going to see, or give us any kind of hint.
JJ Abrams Well,
instead of, obviously, giving any details away, because I'd rather not do that,
but I would say that what's particularly cool about where we're finally going
now, and where we're going to be next season, is that the story has, it's
working on all three characters strengths.
And that is to say that over the course of the season you'd find what
sort of, is most exciting about a character and you figure out what are the
elements that aren't working as well and what are the things that you'd love to
see a character experience. I think that
where we are at the end of this year, yes, you're going to get a little bit of
a piece of Peter's ultimate story; but I think that it also is a huge turning
point for the other two as well.
And
so, again, without giving anything away, I think that the fun of this first
year was getting to know our people and their getting to know each other, and I
feel so grateful that FOX were as supportive as they were and that we're coming
back. They have the reputation for
immediately canceling shows and I think that we are proof positive that it's
not always the case, and again, I stand here incredibly grateful. But I think that the fun of next season is
going to be now that we have this life, is that we're going to get to actually
delve not only deeper into sort of who they are, but like I said, we're going
to push the buttons that I think are working particularly well for each of the
characters. And again, I just hope the
show becomes more and more, the best version of itself, though. And I hope that the next year, we'll see
that.
Moderator And our
next question will come from Maggie Furlong with AOL. Please go ahead.
M. Furlong Hey,
JJ. Thanks for taking the time.
JJ Abrams Yes, how's
it going?
M. Furlong Pretty
good. So, how much do you really, truly
understand about everything that happens on the show?
JJ Abrams On Fringe?
M. Furlong Yes.
JJ Abrams You mean
in terms of the science?
M. Furlong Yes.
JJ Abrams Well, I've
always, and I'm sure to a fault, been of the mind that if you have a cool idea
that's compelling and crazy, that's the idea you follow, and then you do
research to back it up. There are
occasions when research actually yields a story, but I have often found that
that's not the case for me, that I'll have ideas here and there, but usually
it's an idea that comes to the, okay, well, if that's the case, can someone
blow up spontaneously? Like, could that
happen? And then you end up working
backwards and finding out that there are insane tests where people have applied
microwaves to their -- and you're like, oh, okay, and then you just kind of go
with whatever feels closest. Fringe, ... these words, but Fringe was never intended as a course on
any kind of physics or medicine or science.
It was always meant to just be a kind of fun, cool, and insane
representation of what it feels like to live in a world where science seems to
be limitless in what it can do.
The
crazy thing about a show like Fringe
is, as you're working on it, as you're writing about things that are insane,
like a cold virus the size of a football, or whatever the hell you happen to be
playing with that week, is invariably there will be a story online that you
will see that is weirder than what you're writing, that actually happened. Whether it's a body part that was grown,
whether it's about something that was replaced, whether it's about somebody
that came back to life, whether it's about some really weird spontaneous event,
like it just seems like the weirdest part about Fringe is, as we work on it, pushing the envelope, kind of having
fun for ourselves, inevitably there is some real life actual story that's
reported that feels almost beyond what we're playing with.
I
kind of feel like, yes, it's not, yes, it's fantasy, it's fiction, and yes,
we're inspired by gut instinct much more than we are factual data, but I think
that we all live in a moment where nothing surprises us any more, where almost
anything that we would see online or in a paper, we would believe unless
someone would whisper in my ear and said, by the way, that's .... So I just want to feel that we are in that
weird place where as crazy as Fringe
is, we no longer need to look to the supernatural ghosts or aliens to feel like
there is an unpredictable and terrifying enemy among us. I think that we have made that enemy
ourselves.
M. Furlong Thank you.
JJ Abrams Thank you.
Moderate Our next
question is from Daniel Fienberg with Hitfix.com.
D. Fienberg Hey, JJ,
thanks a lot for doing this.
JJ Abrams Thank you.
D. Fienberg I want to
return to something you were talking about a couple questions ago about sort of
not confounding the audience. This past
week began with a three or four minute monologue from Broyles, sort of catching
viewers up, and there have been several episodes that have had similar
expositional, in case you're just joining us, monologues. Do you foresee a day at some point, next
season maybe, hopefully, where you don't need to do that any more?
JJ Abrams Yes. I can't say yes loud enough, fast enough, or
with more passion. There is nothing more
crazy than having that sort of massive chunk of exposition thrown at you at the
beginning of the story. It is one of
those things that I would love to avoid, and I think that sometimes the desire
of either the producers, writers, network studio, wherever it comes from, to
try and provide clarity, there is almost always the net result of confusing the
hell out of people, like clarity looks like one thing on a script but is
another thing ... And I feel like those
kind of monologues of exposition don't help anyone. I mean, although, by the way, I think Lance
delivers them beautifully and he's a wonderful actor, but I think any actor
tasked with catching an audience up deserves a drink at the end of the day.
Moderator And our
next question comes from Adam Morgan from fringetelevision.com.
A. Morgan Hey, by the
way, I saw Trek last night and I'm
going again tonight. I loved it.
JJ Abrams God bless
you, sir. Thank you very much.
A. Morgan It's great.
JJ Abrams Thank you.
A. Morgan Anyway, now
that we've seen Charlie and Broyles in this alternate reality, do you think we
might run into, say, a still breathing John Scott over there?
JJ Abrams I would
say that it'll be very difficult now that John's show got picked up.
A. Morgan Oh, that's
right.
JJ Abrams But having
said that, I'm very excited his show got picked up, and I do think that there
will be some very interesting things happening, given this other place that you
were referring to. And again, it's part
of the fun of the show and I think and hope that it will become one of the
aspects of Fringe that again, make it
incredibly unique, meaning my favorite kind of ideas are things where we work
on them, we think, like, that there's no other show on TV that could do that
weird thing. Like that's my favorite
kind of an idea. And I just think that
if you don't go for those, then the show becomes increasingly mundane and just
disposable, but the more you can do something, even if it doesn't work, to try
and do those things that feel specifically, that show. So anyway, there are some things ... place
that I think are going to continue that I think will ....
Moderator And the
next question will come from Kate O'Hare, Tribune Media Services.
K. O'Hare Hey, JJ.
JJ Abrams Hey.
K. O'Hare One of the
things that's always worked for me on the show since the beginning is Walter
and his son. It's like a little sitcom
right inside the middle of an action adventure show. What's been the thinking on developing that
relationship as the show has gone on?
JJ Abrams Can you
repeat that last part, I just -
K. O'Hare What's been
the thinking about how to evolve that relationship, as the show has gone on?
JJ Abrams Thank you
for the question. I think that the
father/son relationship was, at the very beginning, one of the things that got
all of us excited, Alex and Bob and myself.
And one of the things that I think has happened over the course of this
season is that there is a sort of sense of sort of facility of their
relationship has increased. There's no
longer as much of a conflict between them as there was at the beginning.
Now
granted, they've gotten to know each other and this is happening and they
develop a rhythm, but one of the things that I think we're going to play with a
little bit, which I think speaks to our sense of evolution of that
relationship, is that there will be, I think, some issues between them and some
sort of set back that I think will make their working together, frankly, a
little bit more dynamic and a little bit more interesting, and not just so
familiar and easygoing. But I could not
adore the actors, both Josh and John, more and I think they're wonderful
together and I just think that when you give them more, when there are more
sparks between them, I think it's that much more interesting. So we're playing with that now.
Moderator And we have
time for one more question, and that will come from Julia Diddy with
Fancast.com.
J. Diddy Hi,
JJ. Thank you so much for your time
today.
JJ Abrams Well, thank
you.
J. Diddy My
question is a silly one, but it's about the ZFP manifesto. I'm probably overlooking something totally
obvious, but I was wondering how Walter knows that the missing chapter
pertained to ethics when his memory is so unreliable. I love his character, but it doesn't seem
like ethics are always a high priority for him.
JJ Abrams I think
you're right, and I think that you'll see as we go you'll learn more about that
background, including the manifesto. One
of the things about Walter that I think you could either say is a writer's
convenience or conversely actually an interesting character trait, which is the
untrustworthiness of his memory, that there is this sort of swiss cheese
quality to it, which is not to say that there aren't pieces there, but without
existing memory there are no holes.
Meaning, that I think that the fun of it is that he will have the
ability to recall something, to understand something, but then not understand
how it pertains to something else. In
fact, I have to say, part of my desire would be to see more of that, which is
what we had more at the beginning of the year, that sense that Walter is on a
track and he understands something, he's made a connection, but then he
literally can't understand something as simple as how or where or when he did
an experiment.
I
remember when we did Regarding Henry
and I went to a recovery center where people who had suffered brain trauma were
in therapy and recovery, and there was a young man who had been in a bad motorcycle
accident who was sitting doing some cognitive therapy, and they were showing
him a book and there were simplistic line drawings of a dog, and he would say
"dog," and they'd turn the page. There
was a tree, and he'd say "tree," and they'd turn the page, and there was a
house. He'd say "house." They'd turn the page and there was a car, and
he just stared at it, and he said, "I know those are tires and wheels. I know that's a steering wheel. I know you sit in it. I know you go places in there. I know that's how you drive, I even know how
to drive," but he could not remember the word.
And after this long ... and he was searching, they said "car," and he
said "car." And it was one of those things that has stuck with me that the idea
that you can, depending on what you've been through, and you learn more about
that next season on Fringe for
Walter, but the idea that a very specific piece could be missing, right next to
a piece that is there, is part of the way the brain actually works.
So
it feels like it might be the convenience of storytelling, but I think when
you're talking about a show like Fringe
there's a certain kind of creative license you can take to tell stories and
provide information.