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'Letters from the Flame': 'Lost' about 'Lighthouse'? I have your answers

jorge-garcia-lost-s6-320-2.jpgRyan here, back with answers to your burning questions about "Lost." Quick programming note: if you missed the latest "Orientation: Ryan Station" podcast, make sure to click here and listen. You can even subscribe to it on iTunes! I know. We've boldly gone where tens of thousands have gone before.

In the time since "Lighthouse" aired, I've started to see certain camps get entrenched online, much in the way that certain camps are getting entrenched on the Island. In fact, we're getting not into Season 1 territory so much as Season 4 territory on the Island. In Season 4, we had Team Locke and Team Shephard. Now? Team Jacob and Team Smokey. Sure, Smokey had to infect and corrupt people to join his side, but all's fair in love, war, and loopholes.

So let's all remember to play nice as the next few weeks roll out. Onto your questions!
 
Who is "Wallace"? It was the name next to the number 108. Someone already on the island? The person Jacob referred to that needed to find the island? Someone we already know? David Wallace? Richard Alpert Wallace? Justin Wallace? I'm lost.
John

 
While the idea that Michael Scott's old boss on "The Office" is a candidate makes me giggle tremendously, I think the answer to the question is, "No one important." Having Hurley turn the compass to 108 was a fake-out for both him and the audience. We're trained to view a number like 108 as paramount in the "Lost" universe, and I think Darlton used that information against us in order to distract from the importance of the mission. The entire point of the mission was 1) to get Hurley/Jack away from the Temple before Smocke attacks, and 2) give Jack another push to realize his importance. The Artist Formerly Known as Wallace is a red herring. Or, he's Braveheart. One of the two.
 
Ryan: I find it odd that Jacob only seems to appear and speak to Hurley. Especially when Dogan questioned Hurley and Jacob only appeared to Hurley. It seemed almost as if Jacob is trying to get Hurley to assert himself and by appearing only to him will Hurley be able to be more assertive and more confident...what do you think? I mean out of all the people he could communicate with...why is Hurley the Man?
Jacoby

 
On a purely mechnical level, having Hurley interact with the maybe-god Jacob punctures the potential pomposity of these interactions. (If only someone could puncture MY pomposity after constructing that sentence.) Look: how many times have we seen "human interacts with deity" in dramas, only to see these interactions stilted, grave, and overall boring as hell? "Dead Like Me" is an exception to the rule, but a lot of times shows refuse to have fun with these types of pairings. So I dig a laconic god ambling about with the show's on-screen proxy waxing both philosophical and amusingly on my television. This is 1000x better than Charles Heston interacting with a burning bush, I tell you.
 
But on a dramatic level, Hurley's the most trustworthy person on the Island. Others may be more loyal to Jacob's cause, but Jacob trusts Hurley to do the right thing more than anyone else. The Others might worship Jacob, but that means they place him on a pedestal. I'm not sure Jacob is the important player here. If Jacob and The Man in Black were indeed all-powerful, then they wouldn't need all these people to achieve their endgame. And since Hurley treats Jacob like a person, not a god, he's an ideal person with whom the latter can communicate.
 
Do you think Jacob's manipulation of Jack means that Jack is "the" candidate?
splinter

 
My sense of the series of candidates is that they were not selected to do what The Man in Black claims they are supposed to do. Just as Jacob is keeping Jack's true purpose from him, he's kept the true nature of his search hidden from The Man in Black. Since TMiB is operating under a false premise (the three choices laid out to Sawyer), he can't possibly know how to defeat his nemesis. Do I know what this true purpose is? No. But Jacob thinks one of these final candidates does.
 
With the word "candidate" popping up more and more, does one tend to look at the island conflict not as a "war", but as a long, drawn-out, selection process? And has UnLocke found a way to insert himself into the process?
Brian of the North

 
I'm not sure Unlocke/Smocke/The Lockeness Monster has inserted himself into the process so much as found a way to end the continuous cycle. But I like your use of the word "war," since it reminds me to bring up a potentially key scene from Season 5. IN "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham," Widmore warns Locke, "[T]here's a war coming, John. And if you're not back on the Island when that happens, the wrong side is going to win." The $64,000 question: did Widmore knowingly send Locke back at the behest of The Man in Black or Jacob? Because one of those two had to give him his marching orders. Answering that is like answering "Who staged the Oceanic 815 crash at the bottom of the Sunda Trench?" during Season 4. You've got two equally plausible scenarios that can't be answered definitely at this point. Either The Man in Black told Widmore to send him back to create the loophole, or Jacob WANTED the loophole to be broken in order to make the final leap of progress.
 
As people have pointed out, the Tic-Tac-Toe game almost always ends in a tie. Someone was ready for the tie to be broken. Hell, I bet BOTH Jacob and The Man in Black were ready. Game on, people.
 
Ryan, it bugs the bejacob out of me that the timelines aren't concurrent. Seems that if Jack is indeed making some sort of connection with his "other" self, shouldn't it be 2007 in the alt-timeline as well? Is there any reason for this, other than the writers needing to fool us into thinking that the "LA X" flight 815 was in fact the new reality?
technotard

 
When the producers use "sideways" to describe the new timeline, and yet put it three years behind the on-Island action, yes, it can get confusing. Originally, many thought having Oceanic 815 land would be an exercise to show exactly what you describe: what would have happened afterward. But clearly, events BEFORE Oceanic 815 landed also changed: in some ways subtly, in some ways radical. But I think it's a bit unfair to discuss the ways that Sideways versions of people SHOULD interact with their Island selves. It's a fictional construction created by the writers: there's no "should" here, only what is. They interact in a specific way, and as long as that way stays consistent and holds up in hindsight once revealed, well, that's fine by me.
 
And here we're getting into THE hot topic lately on this sight: is the sideways timeline an epilogue? Rick Porter and I have a LOT to say about this in our upcoming "Lost" debate, and I discuss the issue in my next podcast, but let's answer a few questions about that now as well.
 
Do you think Jacob realized, either before his death or during it, that his efforts to enlist people into his plan to advance humanity to the next step has actually contributed to it's continued corruption, much like how the Man in Black sees it? I only ask because all season we're seeing a world that turned out differently, in many cases what appears to be free from the Island's (and Jacob's) influence, and that's on top of the whole free will vibe Jacob's been tossing around in his appearances thus far.
Other Sean

 
All depends on how you view the sideways timeline's relationship to the Island activity. If you're a fan of the epilogue there, then yes, that timeline is "free" from the Island, even though there are remnants of that other life clinging about (Claire downloading "Aaron" from said previous timeline as an example). However, if you think that the timeline was created as a direct result of Juliet's actions at the end of Season 5, then the sideways timeline is infinitely more influenced by the Island than the Island timeline itself. It's the freakin' baby of the Island, really, birthed in the white light of Season 5's finale.
 
So, my perception of last season's finale was that they shouldn't have detonated the bomb. That doing so would erase all of the progress that they had made. That they'd be going back to lives without purpose.
 
However, we're seeing a multitude of happy endings in the sideways timeline. Why do you think this is?
Jesse

 
That perception is key, because that's what's fusing the various camps when viewing the sideways timeline. Had they called it the "Mirrorverse," maybe there would be less confusion. Then again, maybe not. At the heart of views concerning the alternate timeline are personal perceptions about what function it's supposed to serve. Perception can sometimes be wrong, but at this stage in the game, you have two overarching ways to look at what's going over there.
 
1) Due to Juliet's actions at the end of Season 5, two timelines were created. The second timeline has an entire history built into it, but we're only catching up in September 2004. This timeline is intimately related to the Island timeline, with both being viable realities that will impact one another through glances, interactions, physical items, and moral choices. This interaction is not unidirectional, but rather passes "energy" (for lack of a better word) between the timelines in order to come to a singular ending.

2) Juliet's actions did nothing except send the heroes 30 years into the future. The sideways timeline is the epilogue of the show, the result of whatever denouement happens at season's end on the Island. When all is said and done, we can look back on every flashsideways as the culmination/reward/final life of those that struggled for so long on the Island. In this construction, the sideways timeline is the life they should have lived all along.
 
Both are oversimplifications. Necessarily so, and just as I talked about before with Widmore's "war," both are viable at this point...depending on your perception. Because how you view the epilogue speaks a lot about the type of ending you want the show to have. Let's take a specific example from "Lighthouse": Jack making peace with his son David after the latter's recital. If you're a fan of Example #1 above, then that interaction will get passed to Island Jack as he stares across the water, looking for answers before his big confrontation with some version of his father on the Island. If you're a fan of Example #2, then Jack's breakthrough with his son directly ties into the experiences he will have after staring out at the ocean and accomplishing whatever task he has yet to do in order to land in the sideways timeline.
 
Both are perfectly valid perceptions at this time. Here's my biggest problem: only one viewpoint will ultimately be right. Normally, creating multiple perceptions in the audience's mind is a good thing for a mystery show to engender. But we're talking about much more than after-the-fact bragging rights (which I always hate, since it essentially amounts to bragging that you picked the right door in "Let's Make a Deal"), it's a concern. Because being wrong might aversely affect certain fans perceptions of the show as a whole. The example above says a lot about the type of person you are, so having your perception proved wrong might be construed on some level as a condemnation of you as a viewer, not just your theory.
 
Maybe I'm overworried here. I hope that's the case. Wouldn't be the first time, wouldn't be the last. Epilogue people know I am not in their camp. But I want them to know I am on their side. That side? Being a "Lost" fan. Being part of a community here that welcomes debate and hates attacks.  Being part of a discussion that uses the show as a base to better understand both the show and the world around us. As Smocke told Sawyer last week, "You're so close. It would be such a shame to turn back now."

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The worst thing that could happen for "LOST" from my perspective is to have it end with the feeling that we have already seen the ending (I guess this is the epilogue theory you are talking about).

If the show were to end leaving me feeling that in order to fully appreciate it, I HAVE to re-watch the entire season of flash sideways I will be resentful. That feels false to me or in other words "Go buy the DVDs now and re-watch the series".

I want it to end so that I WANT to re-watch it because it was so good. So far, I am not getting the "so good" part from the flash sideways parts of the story.

Excellent essay, Ryan. You really said it like it is.

Frankly, though, I'm still hoping for a third alternative than none of us has thought of yet, since I'm not particularly happy with either scenario. It's just that the Epilogue theory seems more likely to me.

In part because it seems so much simpler (although perhaps the Occum's razor test shouldn't be applied to fiction).

But more important, the epilogue theory also seems less contrived to me, as I tend to look at a story from the point of view of the characters in the story, not the audience's perspective.

And it seems the number one thing that bothers people about the epilogue theory (as far as I can tell) is how contrived it is from our (the audience's) perspective (the scenes being spliced throughout the season rather than taking place at or near the end of the season).

I am still concerned with last year's flash to 1974-77 and in the words of Jacob, "Help Me!"


In my opinion, because Miles watched Pierre read to baby Miles this equaled 2 Miles existing in the SAME TIME(74-77). Therefore, it is only reasonable to believe that there were also 2 Kates, 2 Jacks, 2 Hurley's, etc. existing at the SAME TIME. (Albeit they were little kids living in the USA)


Following "LA X", I reasoned that Juliet detonated Jughead but it didn't produce the result our Losties wanted, which was basically to negate/sacrifice their '77 Island lives, die and let their '77 off Island selves grow up and never crash 815. However, Jughead just flashed the '77 Island Losties back to 2007 on Island while their second selves were still living on the mainland.


When the sideways timeline was revealed, I assumed this 2004 sideways was naturally just the story of what happened to those 2nd incarnations of Losties and we were again watching the 2 exist at the SAME TIME (albeit 3 years apart) and to me this made sense until……..

I realized Sun never flashed to '74. This would mean there was only 1 little girl Sun in existence in '74 off Island that grew up, met Jin, and crashed on the Island and stayed there. So, how could this one Sun be both on the Island in '07 and in LA in '04?? Similarly, Ben never flashed but now he is with Sun on Island in '07 and teaching History in '04. This needs more analysis.

In conclusion, if this '04 sideways story is an epilogue (which I'm not sold on yet), what happens to the second on Island Miles, Jack, Kate, etc? I can only guess they will flash to the past again pre 2004 and sink the Island and die/drown as they intended to do in the Incident. However, Sun is still a variable because she can't die Pre '04 and exist off Island post Sept. 2004.

Am I the only one that finds this confusing?



But I can accept that contrivance since it (as with the S4/S5 narrative jumps) is the fault of the story-teller... not the story.

DCMEADS -- Once again you posted while I was writing and I didn't refresh first. Since nobody else will probably be online until they get to work tomorrow (!), in honor of Ben I'll take a quick stab at the heart of your questions.

I think you are comparing apples and oranges. All of the S4/S5 timeline stuff, wherein Miles saw himself and Locke could have walked over and seen himself looking at the hatch light, are a fundamentally different order of things than the current season.

In S4/S5, we were dealing with fairly normal stuff -- conventional time travel, where naturally you can theoretically run into yourself if you happen to visit where you are during that time period.

But to say there were "two" of such and such person is no more valid than it is to say there are two of any of us, simply because we existed in the past. Every minute (or year) that, say, Miles spent looking at his younger self meant that he wasn't spending those minutes (or years) during the time period he would normally be in.

So he didn't get something for nothing -- there were never two of him... it's just that he existed during one period of time twice BUT NOT AT ALL for the exact same amount of time during the time period in which he would normally exist.

Whereas in the current season we are apparently (unless the epilogue theory is one hundred percent true and thus we're simply seeing the end of the story spliced into the current story) dealing with something really strange going on that we don't have enough info yet to understand the rules of.

I may be totally mis-understanding your question, but at this late hour that's the best I can do. (Gotta get to bed. 'Night!)

If the sideways story is an epilogue then the series should end with Jack looking out the window on the plane, right? So that we the audience would be left to decide if they landed in LA or on the island? I am undecided as to what is what but at this point, I might not mind an ambiguous ending.

I hope the epilogue theory isn't true, but it's the only one that really makes sense to me at this point.

I'm totally with you, Ryan. We may disagree on what we think we're watching regarding the flash-sideways, but for me it's not about being right; it's just about placing my flagpole in the epilogue camp because I'm really enjoying that theory. And I'm always very careful to say things like "if this theory is correct" and "I could be completely wrong" just to make sure no one thinks I'm trying to tout what I think as the "right" answer. I'm still completely on your side as a "LOST" fan.

If the show then went and burned my flag and beat me around the head with the pole, the very last thing I'd feel is disappointment or some kind of slight against me personally. Quite the contrary, I'd be over the moon to have yet another well thought out theory completely turned on its head and trumped once again by the writers. That's a big reason why I love this show!

Great post, Ryan! I just want to add to your answer to the 2nd question (the Hurley-Jacob interaction)...


I think another reason Hurley is the only one who can see and speak to Jacob is because he can communicate with the dead. We've seen this a number of times OFF-island in his Santa Rosa hangout when Charlie visits him, when he's playing chess with Eko, and if I remember correctly even Walt comes to say hi.


The way I figure it - the writers set this up for us so there would be less questioning (i.e. why can only Hurley see Jacob...well, because Hurley is the only one on the island with that power, much like Miles' power to speak to the dead).


Just my two pennies worth. Keep up the informative and entertaining writing!
-Nick

@DC Meads - I still haven't wrapped my bean around the ramifications of someone like Miles occupying the same space as their former (or future) selves, but that makes for some "out there" possibilities. I agree the Sun factor throws it off, but my inner geek would love to see some of these characters come face-to-face with THEMSELVES at some point. "Strange things are afoot at the Circle-C..."

@Nick - I agree with you that the reason Hurley is Jacob's mouthpiece is his ability to see and hear the dead. Jacob himself even alluded to this in the cab with him in the S5 finale: "What if your ability is a blessing and not a curse?"

Alright... now DC Meads' "Two Jacks Theory" - or whatever you want to call it - has been dancing on my brain with cleats. Here's another quasi-theory that I'm just gonna blurt out because it just would be cool to behold...

They've given us so many visual and literary references to mirrors - from "Through The Looking Glass" (and a lot of other Alice in Wonderland nods), to the physical presence of mirrors in the scenes where our "alt-timeline" characters are seemingly affected by their "other" selves. We also know that Darlton have a deep affinity for The Dark Tower series... so what if the mirrors in Lost actually serve as portals between the two realities, a-la' the doors in The Dark Tower? I keep wondering what would happen if Jack reached out and touched the mirror in his bathroom after "discovering" the appendix scar? Tell me it wouldn't be a killer scene to have someone actually tumble down the metaphorical rabbit hole after being sucking into a frakking mirror! What if THAT'S the way these two realities are eventually tied together? Talk about a "Mirrorverse!"

I'm hoping someone will thoroughly perforate this admittedly goofy theory so I can get it out of my mind, lest I devolve into a quivering mass of bad fan fiction...

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