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'Light vs. Dark' in 'Lost': Looking back at Dave

libbyhurleykiss.jpgWe're spoiler-free here on this "Lost" blog. "Spoiler-free" is a nebulous term, but essentially boils down to, "we're not going to tell you anything that will ruin future enjoyment of any episodes." This, of course, isn't as simple as it sounds in practice. It's hard to agree on certain pieces of information as being a spoiler or not.
 
Producer announcements to me do NOT fall under the spoiler category, as far as I'm concerned. Doesn't mean I'll slavishly repeat everything they say, but their track record indicates that they withhold important information at best, and downright lie/misdirect at worst. What they DON'T do is overtly tip their hand or let anything slip that they don't want fans to know. The next paragraph details a Darlton-announced return of a character, and if that's something you want to avoid, I understand. Just wanted to get this all out there before continuing.
 
We good?
 
Good.
 
OK, just a leetle more space lest wandering eyes see the character by accident.

So, how about those Jets, eh?

No, you don't look fat in that. Just stop. Stop it now.
 
Still with me? Good, I think we're safe now.
 
So the character in question is Libby, who, along with Michael, was announced to be retuning to the show at last week's TCA press tour. (Remember what I said about "Darlton lies"? For years they have insisted that her story was over. I realize they did so in a non-malicious, Hollywood-necessitated manner, but I'm just pointing this out to all "Lost" fans who take every word they say as gospel.) With this announcement, I immediately popped back to an episode rife with Libby-centric goodness, Season 2's "Dave."
 
So what better place to look for another installment of the "Light vs. Dark" series? After all, if we're looking at instances in which Jacob or The Man in Black might have been exerting an unseen hand, this is a hella good place to look. With Libby returning to the show, and Hurley's potential importance to the show's mythology greater than ever, "Dave" might be a Rosetta stone for the show as a whole.
 
The Episode: "Dave"
 
The Sequence: Hurley's imaginary friend from Santa Rosa appears on the Island, wearing the same schlubby gear he did in the mental hospital. He tries to convince Hurley that everything on the Island is merely a hallucination he's experiencing at Santa Rosa, noting the prominence of Leonard's numbers and Libby's potential romantic interest as signs that it couldn't possibly be real. Dave tells Hurley that only by jumping off a cliff will he be able to break the hallucination's hold and "return" to Santa Rosa. But Libby stops him from doing so, via a kiss (more on this later), and the two return to camp.
 
The Case for Jacob: Jacob's all about choice. The Island represents a pause button, if you will, in your life. You can choose to look objectively at how you were, and either continue to live that way or make some sort of change. But he doesn't sugarcoat these choices. He doesn't varnish them. He simply presents them, and allows the person to choose. He uses "Dave" to remind Hurley of the seminal choice he made in the hospital to turn his back on his imaginary friend and start the long, slow process back to his old life.
 
The Case for The Man in Black: Hurley's vital to Jacob's plan. The Man in Black knows this. Long before he used the cabin as part of the long con on Ben/Locke, he simply tried to off his nemesis' would-be partner. Using Dave as a weapon seemed most effective, in that he represented Hurley's deepest-seated fear. Dave doesn't offer a choice so much as an ultimatum: jump or else. Only through Libby's interference does The Man in Black fail, which indicates something potentially interesting about her.
 
The Zap2it Opinion: Now, about that kiss: go back and rewatch it. Lord knows I did before writing this entry, since even when it first aired it was a C+C Music Factory moment (in other words, it makes you go "hmmm"). Is she crying because she's happy? She sure as hell doesn't look happy. You could argue that she's simply relieved Hurley didn't jump, but that tear betrays some form of grief. Is she upset that she's simply kissing Hurley to keep him alive for a greater purpose, or was this a prophesied moment that heralds her imminent demise? In either case: we're going with "The Man in Black" for this round of "Light vs. Dark," with the Libby aspect hopefully answered once and for all in Season 6.

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I went with Man in Black because of the point you made about Jacob - he leaves choices open, but he doesn't seem to push terribly hard in one way or the other. Dave was aggressively pushing for a certain agenda, which seems more MiB to me.


And maybe Darlton weren't lying about Libby! I always figured they said they weren't going to do her story because they had given up on getting Cynthia Watros to come back to Hawaii, and when that wasn't a problem anymore, they added her back in. (I'm a strict believer in the gospel of Darlton)

i'm with Katie - Dave was WAY too aggressive to be Jacob-sent. and i am SUPER psyched about this news!!!

I gotta ask: what's the big freakin deal about Libby, anyway? I mean, there's so much more going on with this show. Why are so many fans hung up on her 99% finished story?

On a lighter note, enjoy an Italian family re-enacting LOST: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1D-cuc8OTI

I agree with everyone so far. The only reason Dave appeared was to make sure Hurley would not survive another day.

I'm also absolutely thrilled Cynthia Watros agreed to return. Not so sure about Harrold Perrineau, though he could become incredibly relevant if Walt returned as well. They can always cast an NBA center. You would barely notice the difference.

"Remember what I said about 'Darlton lies'?.. I'm just pointing this out to all LOST fans who take every word they say as gospel."

Well put.

"'Dave' might be a Rosetta stone for the show as a whole."

First "Fire & Water", now "Dave"? Why is it my least favorite episodes keep coming back to haunt me?

Not that I disagree with your analysis about the potential importance of both... it's just interesting that (despite certain great moments such as the kiss) they are amongst my least favorite episodes.

Maybe because both involve the possbility that the visions are simply caused by drugs (Charlie) or lack thereof (Hurley's cliosporin or whatever it was). I guess I just don't like episodes where they (Darlton) can say "oh, that vision was just drug-related" (kind of like "sometimes a bracelet is just a bracelet").

(And if Hurley really did need the medication, has he really been able to get it all this time? I don't think it's ever been mentioned again after "Dave", has it?)

P.S. I agree that MIB is behind it.

I'm glad about Libby they never told her story at all. They handled her really poorly and wasted her. If its not pertinent then I can let it go, but it is one of the examples of bad planning.

And there's no one I want to see less than Michael, who is not allowed back on the island thank you. Walt needs some closure/point but not Michael.

From my rewatches (just did Dave and some other later episodes in which Libby appears), I am glad they are bringing her back even if it is only a brief appearance. She played a part in Desmond's story as well as Hurley's so she has to be in place for a reason pawn of MIB seeming most likely at the moment. I agree that it was bad planning if her part is not pertinent just like Walt appearing to be special and that story seeming to disappear. At least the Walt story has an explanation in that they did not plan for the actor to outgrow the part before the series ended.

i say mib because hurley is clearly special in some way, especially if jacob specifically went to him and asked him to go back.

therefore, mib would have a reason to take hurley out of the equation by convincing him to off himself.

that episode always confused me before because i didn't understand why hurley had to go through that. but now it would seem hurley's lifelong psychosis is not so much his issue but rather the island constantly trying to draw him there.

either way. i have always loved hurley. heh. to me, he is the only person who isn't conflicted about what the right thing to do is - even if it is potentially to his own detriment. there is no secret agenda. he just wants everyone to be safe and happy. bad things may have happened to him, but it hasn't turned him into a bad person. he is still hurley. i love that.

I'm not a big fan of this episode. It felt like a throw-away episode with the only payoff being that we find out why Hugo was at Santa Rosa. I would gladly sacrifice Libby's story for pretty much anything. If she was that important, they wouldn't have written her off the show in the first place.

I have to agree that it was the MIB. Hurly is the exact opposite of what the MIB says to Jacob "They fight, they destroy, they corrupt." Hurly is the personification of Jacob's "progress".

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